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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    I think the point is Liverpool don't want to sell, if they did it might be different.
    Well yes but we didn't want to sell Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc etc but it didn't really matter much. Ok so we bent over more than Liverpool will but how the fuck are they going to handle a Suarez that wants out??? Their only hope is that Arsenal isn't a giant step up from Liverpool so they might be able to convince him to stay for another season and wait for a better club to come after him next summer. You're only prolonging the inevitable though so the club might decide Suarez isn't worth the hassle and will instead use the £40m to rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    I think the point is Liverpool don't want to sell, if they did it might be different.

    I think the £40,000,001 thing (if true) was a stupid thing to do, it comes across really petty and is more likely to make Liverpool dig their heels in and be more determined not to sell to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Your default position is everything we do is wrong/stupid.
    No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    Well yes but we didn't want to sell Nasri, Cesc, RVP etc etc but it didn't really matter much. Ok so we bent over more than Liverpool will but how the fuck are they going to handle a Suarez that wants out??? Their only hope is that Arsenal isn't a giant step up from Liverpool so they might be able to convince him to stay for another season and wait for a better club to come after him next summer. You're only prolonging the inevitable though so the club might decide Suarez isn't worth the hassle and will instead use the £40m to rebuild.
    That's us though and we're a bit of a soft touch when it comes to money in the bank and all that. We needn't have sold them, we could have dug our heels in, we chose not to and got rid in most cases at knockdown prices.

    A club can choose not to sell a player under contract, a player won't sit on the sidelines especially not in World Cup year, Liverpool don't have to sell he's got 3 years left and that's enough to keep him even if he wants to leave knowing that he has to play due to the World Cup next year.

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    The only thing I think we did wrong was not to have bid the £40m before he left for Australia. You could potentially have then kept him away from his manager and teammates which I think would have been a good idea. You then convince him to join Arse and to sit tight and force the move.

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    Not for the first time we have to ask a classic question of the manager of Arsenal. However, this time we cannot anticipate, almost word for word, the answer from the man with the furrowed brow and the haunted expression.

    “What’s it all about Arsène?” has, after all, always brought an unswerving response.

    It was about the building of teams imbued with the highest football values. They were scouted not only for the talent that had perhaps not been properly appraised by rivals – Thierry Henry, Patrick Vieira, Cesc Fabregas, to mention just a few of his most stunning signings – but their ability to adapt to the ethos of a team that not so long ago were near perfect representatives of a beautiful game.

    Of course the game has changed, the market has sharpened out of all recognition, along with the influence of agents relentless in pursuit of the main chance, but sufficiently, we have to ask, for Wenger to see Luis Suarez, of all people, as the redeemer of Arsenal’s lost years?

    The word from the Emirates is insistent. Wenger, empowered with £70m or so to compete with the new strength of Manuel Pellegrini’s Manchester City and the residual power of Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and David Moyes at Manchester United, sees Suarez as the glittering prize to fill the vacuum left by Robin van Persie.

    So what happened to the ethos of Arsenal? What happened to all those values of character and patient team-building that were offered up as the great compensation for eight years without a sniff of a major trophy? What happened to the business plan founded on football sanity?

    It appears to have been wrapped up in some haste and thrown at the feet of an undoubtedly brilliant football player who unfortunately also happens to be a racial abuser, a biter of opponents and an unabashed cheat.

    Nor can his superb natural gifts provide instant momentum in return for a bid which seems likely to rise above its current level of £40m. There is the matter of the six matches still to be served of his suspension for chewing into Chelsea’s Branislav Ivanovic.

    There is also the uncomfortable but unavoidable fact that Suarez has rewarded Liverpool, the management, fellow players and, not least the crowd, for nearly two years of excruciating come-what-may support with a display of disloyalty that might raise a frown below decks in a sinking ship.

    This is not to say that Liverpool will capsize in Suarez’s impending absence. Unquestionably they will miss his extraordinary, explosive skills, but in Brendan Rodgers they have a young coach of impressive vision who has just experienced an ultimate crash course in the hazards of saying one thing – “no one is bigger than the club” – and then contradicting himself in almost every reaction to the conduct of an apparently shameless recidivist.

    Wenger’s dramatic change of emphasis has provoked at least one strange projection of a new Arsenal dream team. Odd, this is, in that the inclusion of the hugely problematic Suarez alongside the shop-soiled Wayne Rooney suggests nightmare quite as much as fantasy.

    Over a decade ago Wenger, having watched the prodigious teenager shatter his superb team with a goal of mesmerising power at Goodison Park, said that Rooney was the most impressive young English player he had ever seen. He was filled with invention, a natural sense of where to be on the field and a withering capacity to hurt the opposition. Wenger then spoke with the passion, and the idealism, of a man who had made his name for recognising the potential of striking but still unformed talent. It is a poignant reminder of how his football world once revolved.

    Now the old visionary and once reluctant cheque-wielder appears committed to a policy that would, back then, have scandalised his best intentions. He will, we are told, take Rooney 18 months after such a hard judge as Sir Alex Ferguson concluded that he had to move for someone who could guarantee him performance, someone like Van Persie. There is a huge irony, here, and also a sad commentary on the options open to the man who seemed to represent all that was best, and most inspired, in the shaping of a football club that could not only win but hugely enhance the quality of the game.

    If Suarez, especially, shows up at the Emirates he will no doubt provoke huge excitement. Players of his innate ability always do. As he proved at Liverpool and Ajax before that, he has the ability to lift any team. Not the least sadness of his most recent outrage against Ivanovic was that it was almost immediately followed by a goal of genius, and instinctive sense of how to deliver a killing blow.

    Arsenal, everyone knows, are in huge need of that quality and for a little while at least it may be that Suarez will deliver it without complication. He has done it before. When he arrived from Ajax, where he was voted Player of the Year before gaining the less welcome title of “The Cannibal” after his first biting offence, he illuminated Anfield not only with a sublime and aggressive touch but also a passion for competition. He hated to be substituted, he relished the new challenge he faced.

    Arsenal may be relishing such a prospect, but for how long? What’s it all about Arsène? The worry has to be that it is, if you forgive the expression, pure desperation. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-8730929.html
    i wondered how long it would before the press turned on wenger and hammered him for spending money instead of not spending it. also what the writer fails to realise is that the money we are spending on suarez, is our money, earnt over the last 8 years. not given to us by a sugar daddy, it was earnt by us and if we choose to spend it all on one player then we can.its our right to spend that money how we want.

    for years they have hammered wenger for only wanting top four, not buying players, being cheap, and now he does what htey want him to do, they turn and hammer him for doing what they have been moaning he hasnt done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    So you think he's worth £50m the same as Cavani - who's a better player, isn't always suspended and has a better character AND only had one club meet his release clause of £50m?

    I guess you're just not used to selling your best players like we are. £40m is a very fair price imo.
    Yes.

    But that's not what we're going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.
    So you think tapping up is better?

    Shit man. The times we've been raped by players blatently being tapped up.

    You want us to play with the big boys. That's exactly how the big boys behave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arse n Wonga View Post
    No not really, but who bids an extra pound, sorry but that comes across really petty, I've never heard of any other club doing this kind of thing.
    because they wanted to see if the clause was real or not?

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