Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[I_Killed_Kenny]

We knew we were selling RVP then, that's the difference.

that doesnt matter. the point is we can arrange things early. so whether or not we were selling anyone this year or not we could still have arranged things earlier or had clearer idea of who we are after. how could we supposedly be in for players like capoue in jan and not the summer. if we didnt manage it in jan, carry on dealing with the club, arrange it to happen in the summer.

[I_Killed_Kenny]

Gazidis isn't doing a rubbish job, he's doing a fantastic job. Just not a job that coincides with the interests of the fans. He's building the finances and therefore Kroenke's investment year on year. He now says we have £70mill a year excess, doesn't mean anyone at the club wants to spend it but supposedly we have it. You can't fault Arsenal as an investment vehicle, nobody else is even close to us.

AFC - Arsenal Financial Company

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger hasn't been deluded about the quality of the squad. Every year they've delivered that 4th place which is exactly what they were supposed to deliver. It's done in a soulless and depressing way, grinding out averages rather than putting in impressive and entertaining displays on the pitch. But the results keep coming in, season after season. Again, their definition of success is different the fans' definition. We want to win stuff, they want to stay near the top of the game so they can keep on increasing the revenues.

[Niall_Quinn]

AFC - Arsenal Financial Company

The North Bank (for the journey if not the win)

[Grebbo]

these players werent on these big salaries before they signed. So if start of summer we said we will splash 50m on a striker, we could have gone out and tried for falcao, put him on wages that were high to us and that he would be happy on. we could have gotten things wrapped up before others had a chance to blow us out of the water is more the point i think they were making

Well no, not really. Players have agents and those agents will be aware of the clubs that want their client and the money on offer. You'll never win a bidding war against PSG or Monaco. Falcao isn't just going to say to himself "well Arsenal are doubling my salary I better sign for them quickly" instead he'll sit on a beach and wait for the offers to come in and make his choice - which just so happened to be a tiny club in Monaco with tax free status paying him £300k pw net.

There's no such thing as "wrapping things up" when it comes to signing a top player. There's a long protracted bidding war if other top clubs want the same player.

[Grebbo]

Sorry, I meant the causes of our actions. No, we don't "talk" about it. But what we do creates more fuss than anybody else.

Firstly in the media, liek you say above.

But also, it seems that everyone we deal with (See Barca, Fergies comments, Perez (cunnt) comments, Liverpool just recently), says we're a nightmare.

Maybe but I'm sure Perez thinks Levy is a nightmare as well. Fergie wanted to pay £12m for RVP and we got £24m out of him so that's a small consolation I suppose. Even if we bid £50m for Suarez Liverpool would still be moaning because they don't want to sell their best player.

[Özim]

Wenger hasn't been deluded about the quality of the squad. Every year they've delivered that 4th place which is exactly what they were supposed to deliver. It's done in a soulless and depressing way, grinding out averages rather than putting in impressive and entertaining displays on the pitch. But the results keep coming in, season after season. Again, their definition of success is different the fans' definition. We want to win stuff, they want to stay near the top of the game so they can keep on increasing the revenues.

I'd say he's been deluded, after all he's claimed we're in the title hunt more than once.

[Özim]

Well no, not really. Players have agents and those agents will be aware of the clubs that want their client and the money on offer. You'll never win a bidding war against PSG or Monaco. Falcao isn't just going to say to himself "well Arsenal are doubling my salary I better sign for them quickly" instead he'll sit on a beach and wait for the offers to come in and make his choice - which just so happened to be a tiny club in Monaco with tax free status paying him £300k pw net.

There's no such thing as "wrapping things up" when it comes to signing a top player. There's a long protracted bidding war if other top clubs want the same player.

I don't think it's quite that simple, Monaco and PSG signed these guys because they offered full whack to the selling clubs, but given a choice between those clubs and Real or Barca pretty sure the players would choose the latter (they'd still be earning shedloads). Thing is those clubs never bid the amounts required.

It comes down to the appeal of a club as well, it's not just money despite what some would have you believe, if there's no other feasible choice then yes I guess money does become appealing if a club is willing to spend big to move up in the world.

[Grebbo]

I don't think it's quite that simple, Monaco and PSG signed these guys because they offered full whack to the selling clubs, but given a choice between those clubs and Real or Barca pretty sure the players would choose the latter (they'd still be earning shedloads). Thing is those clubs never bid the amounts required.

It comes down to the appeal of a club as well, it's not just money despite what some would have you believe, if there's no other feasible choice then yes I guess money does become appealing if a club is willing to spend big to move up in the world.

Well yeah I agree, but we're not RM or Barca. We're possibly the 10th most attractive club to sign for.

[Power n Glory]

Wenger hasn't been deluded about the quality of the squad. Every year they've delivered that 4th place which is exactly what they were supposed to deliver. It's done in a soulless and depressing way, grinding out averages rather than putting in impressive and entertaining displays on the pitch. But the results keep coming in, season after season. Again, their definition of success is different the fans' definition. We want to win stuff, they want to stay near the top of the game so they can keep on increasing the revenues.

Wenger is deluded and if we don’t bring in quality this season then he’s to blame and it’s his decision. It makes no sense for Ivan to make such a big fuss about our spending power and place all that pressure on Wenger if we were only interested in settling for 4th. If he knows Wenger can deliver 4th on the cheap, then why rock the boat like this?