Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[gunnerrrrr]

Our whole approach to the transfer market is condescending and full of disdain, the same disdain that the **** PHW used to show towards any fan brave enough to voice an opinion which didn't match his.

The bid of £40m plus £1 was small minded and arrogant, in fact we looked like wankers. As per usual we have completely fucked up the transfer window.

When i heard us being linked with Higuain and Fellani i was estatic that we would get our targets, and do so quickly.

The whole Rooney, Suaraz etc sideshow has made us look like bumbling idiots and we are in real danger of either now seriously over paying for one of our targets or worse being left with a paper thin squad which is clearly majorly weak in key areas.

Whatever Wenger and Gadazis are smoking they need to stop and start reviewing the market more ruthlessly.

Its basic business skills....supply and demand. Right now we have a major need for a defensive midfielder and class striker. The supply of such players is limited so we either move quickly and snap up a bargin or we pay the market value or asking price for our targets. not live in fucking dream land where idealist views mean fuck all.

Arrogant priks.

[Japan Shaking All Over]

I think there will be. We'll sign players but there won't be any high profile stars moving here. But it really is pathetic. We're going to gamble again.

Didnt we get rid of more than we brought in last year (I am including those that went out on loan)? - to do so again this term is totally detrimental to the club especially as you can consider TV5 out for the start......shit I would be happy with the signing of a crap CB, at least we show we are trying to keep things evened out!

not to mention that players have gone on record saying how the club needs to sign more quality and the thought of it doing so makes them excited.......not the first time players have said this though at this time of year so we can expect the club to just ignore them.......difference though is the last lot that opened their mouth knew that they would be off if nothing happened......Arteta and Giroud dont have a hope in hell

[Özim]

The £1 was always going to be picked up by the media. It was designed to insult Liverpool and harden their resolve. It worked.

Apparently it was perfectly reasonable to bid the extra £1, personally I think it's a sure way of patronising a club into never selling the player to us.

As for this clause thing, I've always been amazed that noone was actually sure about this clause, how is that possible when the contract is negotiated by all parties in the 1st place.

Sounds to me like the club went with some internet rumours!

[Grebbo]

i personally don't see what the fuss is about the extra pound. It was designed to test the supposed clause. £40m + £1, £41m, £45m whatever... if there's a clause then it doesn't matter how much you supposedly piss off Liverpool.

I wouldn't be offended if a club did it to us. How else are you supposed to find out if there's a clause?

£40m is a massive bid, it would be the second biggest transfer in Premier League history IIRC.

The fact is the player isn't willing to take this clause down the legal route to put it under scrutiny, I can understand that. I'm sure he would have done to join RM but not for us. It's not worth the abuse from scousers, press etc etc

[Kano]

Don't forget we also have Diaby who can lie there.

[Özim]

i personally don't see what the fuss is about the extra pound. It was designed to test the supposed clause. £40m + £1, £41m, £45m whatever... if there's a clause then it doesn't matter how much you supposedly piss off Liverpool.

I wouldn't be offended if a club did it to us. How else are you supposed to find out if there's a clause?

£40m is a massive bid, it would be the second biggest transfer in Premier League history IIRC.

The fact is the player isn't willing to take this clause down the legal route to put it under scrutiny, I can understand that. I'm sure he would have done to join RM but not for us. It's not worth the abuse from scousers, press etc etc

It's a p*ss take simple as, noone ever bids that.

As for the clause, if noone is sure, then there isn't one I would have thought that's pretty clear. If there's a clause then it would have been negotiated when the contract was signed, there's no way Suarez or his agent wouldn't know about this.

Liverpool don't want to sell they've mad it clear, they also made it clear no bid under 55 million would be entertained, on that basis bidding £1 is a joke and bound to rile the club up, but maybe that was the idea all along so we're guaranteed to spend no money!

If I had a car for sale at £5k and someone came in and offered me 3k and I rejected it and then then decided to bid £3001 I'd laugh at them whilst walking them to the door and consider them a p*ss taker and not a serious buyer.

[Grebbo]

I do see your side of things but ultimately it's the way we go about negotiating and our seemingly hap hazard transfer policy that really gets me. At the end of the day, Liverpool have made it clear to us what they value the player at, right now we're a good 10mill short.

If we offered the amount Liverpool see fit, then Suarez would have a decision to make, fair enough if he doesn't commit to joining us, we would have tried as much as possible but the player didn't want to come. The fact that we've now stalled on the deal doesn't do us or him any favours, we've made it easy for all parties involved.

It doesn't matter how many clubs have paid 40million for a player, the bottomline is we want an elite talent off one of our rivals and ultimately we are going to have to pay through the nose if we want him.

Sure we are not high on players wishlists of clubs to join, that's why we are going to need to either pay a high fee or wage, maybe both in some cases to entice a player to the club.

If the S*um value Bale at 80mill then that's what Real are going to have to pay to sign him, sure his value is astronomical but that's what they value his worth at.

I do appreciate that these big deals take time to complete but we are all kidding ourselves if we think Liverpool will let Suarez leave on deadline day without a replacement. Yet again we have been let down by poor planning and hopeless negotiations.

Fair enough. I still don't think the negotiations for Suarez have been hopeless. We've bid what we thought was a release clause and we now have to decide if we're willing to bid the £55m that may or may not secure the player. I think we all know that we wont do that so the deal is dead.

Let's see what happens over the next couple of weeks. Two weeks is a long time in football, we could easily sign some excellent, but not world class, players.

Yeah right...

[Özim]

You can spot unrealistic signings a mile away, Suarez always was.

Higuain, Fellaini, Cesar etc were more realistic however I doubt we were really every seriously interested in signing any of them, too much money involved, all we want is cheap bargain basement nobodies so that it doesn't upset the karma in AW's squad and doesn't make youngsters jealous that someone is earning more than them (it creates bad team spirit apparently).

[Grebbo]

It's a p*ss take simple as, noone ever bids that.

As for the clause, if noone is sure, then there isn't one I would have thought that's pretty clear. If there's a clause then it would have been negotiated when the contract was signed, there's no way Suarez or his agent wouldn't know about this.

Liverpool don't want to sell they've mad it clear, they also made it clear no bid under 55 million would be entertained, on that basis bidding £1 is a joke and bound to rile the club up, but maybe that was the idea all along so we're guaranteed to spend no money!

You think it's a piss take, I don't.

If nobody is sure about the clause then they only way of finding out is to bid the supposed release clause, which we've done.

The deal is dead so let's move on.

As for making bids that we know wont be accepted as some kind of publicity stunt - I don't buy it. All it does is winds the fans up even more. "You've got £40m, shoulda bought Higuain etc etc" . It would make much more sense for the Board to have not bid £40m and instead use excuses such as "we're not in the Champs Leg yet so cannot do business" or "our new sponsorship deals don't kick in until next season" etc

I'm as cynical as anyone but bidding £40m for players makes no sense from a PR point of view.

[PGFC]

The Chimp has told AVB he wants to leave, time for a cheeky bid?