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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    If you have situations X and Y as the only circumstances were the term crisis can apply, and X and Y haven't happened then of course... But that is neither a realistic nor practical attitude to take.


    For me, cancelling reserve matches because the senior squad is so thin is a type of crisis. A serious one but not the Armageddon. But after years of selling off and falling to replace or key players, it is just to much to take, and could cause the types of infliction points that lead to other crises in future!

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    What is lacking here is a bit of perspective, imo. No one can deny that squad wise, we're playing with fire. We are just a few injuries away from some sort of 'crisis'. And it's very much a possibility when you look at seasoned crocks like Wilshere, Rosicky, Gibbs and Sonago.

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    From Wikipedia

    Every single point applies to our club right now:


    Crisis is the situation of a complex system (family, economy, society) when the system functions poorly, an immediate decision is necessary, but the causes of the dysfunction are not known.

    a) situation of a complex system – simple systems do not enter crises. We can speak about a crisis of moral values, an economical or political crisis, but not a motor crisis.

    b) poor function. The system still functions, but does not break down.

    c) an immediate decision is necessary to stop the further disintegration of the system.

    d) the causes are so many, or unknown, that it is impossible to take a rational, informed decision to reverse the situation.

    Crisis has several defining characteristics. Seeger, Sellnow, and Ulmer[2] say that crises have four defining characteristics that are "specific, unexpected, and non-routine events or series of events that [create] high levels of uncertainty and threat or perceived threat to an organization's high priority goals." Thus the first three characteristics are that the event is

    1. unexpected (i.e., a surprise)
    2. creates uncertainty
    3. is seen as a threat to important goals
    Venette[3] argues that "crisis is a process of transformation where the old system can no longer be maintained." Therefore the fourth defining quality is the need for change. If change is not needed, the event could more accurately be described as a failure.

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    We're in a prolonged and deeply destructive crisis. Everything that was achieved in Wenger's early years is slowly being torn down. There is no sign of the trend reversing. If this was happening at Utd or City or the chavs managers would be sacked and fans would be up in arms. We are undoubtedly in a crisis and just because the blind people in charge can't see or acknowledge it only makes it worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coutinho Is Boss View Post
    Nah.

    Us in 2010 was a crisis. Coventry are in a crisis. Rangers and Portsmouth were in crisis.

    Yours is stagnation. Stagnation and inevitability. Stagnation at a high level, but stagnation nonetheless. It looks more and more likely someone like Spurs will overtake you and you will finish outside the top 4, but that's been said for so many years it has lost any meaning. Not many would be surprised, or even unhappy if this turned out to be Wenger's last season in charge. And in many ways that's quite sad...
    What a brilliant post. Kudos!

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    we r in cwysis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    we r in cwysis

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    It's not an exaggeration. Crisis is a imprecise and relative term that clearly means different things for different clubs.

    Having a senior squad this small for a club that charges fans so much for no real reason whatsoever IS something to be upset about. The results of which are already becoming apparent (see red zones, fatigue/stress injures and the injury spiral) with consequences, what ever now happens transfer wise, that will last throughout the season.

    If you want to childishly suggest we can't get pissed of with the same mistakes happening over and over whilst teams around us, continue to pull ahead then that's your prerogative. But it isn't going to change the fact more and more of us no longer have any faith that the club is being run in a transparent and coherent way with the din of under achievement and lack of ambition becoming synonymous with the club.

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    I get pissed off a lot. Not as much as NQ. But a lot all the same. 99.999% of the time what I'm pissed off about could hardly be described as a 'crisis'.

    No one has said you should not be pissed off, but most are of the view that calling this a crisis is an exaggeration.
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    The club isn't in crisis. Not in terms of us folding, or being relegated.

    For some fans, it is a crisis though. Being that it's fairly easy now to see that our club is not the club it once was. Not only stripped of it's assets, it's being stripped of it's soul, and that to me is "The Arsenal" at a critical point.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    The club isn't in crisis. Not in terms of us folding, or being relegated.

    For some fans, it is a crisis though. Being that it's fairly easy now to see that our club is not the club it once was. Not only stripped of it's assets, it's being stripped of it's soul, and that to me is "The Arsenal" at a critical point.
    I'd say that's a football issue rather than an Arsenal specific one.

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