Do you still want Wenger as Arsenal manager?

[Power n Glory]

PHW calling the fans idiots has what to do with Wenger did he tell him too?

If he is was angry with the board he will never say it its never been his way has it, what would you want him to do to be humble. His hands are tied to a point tbh.

Do you think he wated to go to Asia with the sqaud, no way that was down to the new board. Do you thinks it was down to him to sell both Cesc and Nasri. He believed they would stay in his mind. his only faults were it should have been resloved sooner and presure should have been put on the board to accept the money quicker.

He is no way blameless is wenger but its not all his fault

Wenger tells the fans 'patience is a sign of intelligence', PHW calls the fans idiots and says we all should be patient and making out as if this is all about silverware. Connect the dots. If a manager is at logger heads with the board then why come out and say such things about the fans. It doesn't look like a conflict of opinion between the pair. As for the Asia tour, that is Stan's idea.

[Power n Glory]

A club with a 5th highest wage bill coming 4th?

FYI when we were winning stuff we had the highest or 2nd highest wage bills in the league. And all that dross on high wages? They've more or less gone, so I think you've run out of talking points in that regards.

If we had quality players like Bergkamp and Henry playing for us than yes, fair play. But we're paying guys that are nowhere near that standard.

[AKBapologist]

And I guess there's always the fundamental bottom line: if the people in charge aren't able or willing to sack the person supposedly wrecking the club, then there as much to blame as anyone else really. Sick of people like SB and PnG lumping the blame with one man when the owners are ultimately to blame for either poor judgement or weak leadership.

[Power n Glory]

And I guess there's always the fundamental bottom line: if the people in charge aren't able or willing to sack the person supposedly wrecking the club, then there as much to blame as anyone else really. Sick of people like SB and PnG lumping the blame with one man when the owners are ultimately to blame for either poor judgement or weak leadership.

If your sick of it, go take a break. You don't have to be a part of the discussion.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Wenger tells the fans 'patience is a sign of intelligence', PHW calls the fans idiots and says we all should be patient and making out as if this is all about silverware. Connect the dots. If a manager is at logger heads with the board then why come out and say such things about the fans. It doesn't look like a conflict of opinion between the pair. As for the Asia tour, that is Stan's idea.

Saying the fans should be patient all all that silverware stuff is bs for AW, but its nothing to do with someone saying the fans are idiots.

So by your logic then David moyes is a idiot because Bill kenwright called everton fans muppets, so David moyes must be a cunt.

Same with the leeds manager after bates told his fans to shut up and stop moaning.

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[Niall_Quinn]

No, but you don't go to the canteen and slag off your co workers for complaining about low wages and tell them they should be happy because they work for a well run company. Not if you disagree with your boss anyway. You'd be better off keeping your mouth shut and staying diplomatic. You don't have to lie for the bastards.

All that BS about nobody leaving the club. That was bizarre, unless you put it in the context of Wenger having a pop at the board. Interesting, that article above that talked about Rioch being paid to keep his mouth shut. These Old Etonian twats all velue their public image, even when the truth behind the scenes is less than savoury. Is Wenger permitted in his contract to say anything other than, "Rah, rah, rah!"? I doubt it. Maybe the fans would do better to hold fire and wait to see if any truth breaks the surface. It would be better to direct fire at the most deserving targets. I'm not forgiving Wenger for his stubborn refusal to kick out the dross and correct the major problems but if we're going to have a clearout let's make sure we get all of them, not just the front man. If that's what he is at all. Somehow I don't think he is. I've been suspicious for a couple of weeks now. It's like Wenger is speaking in code, saying things we all know not to be true and make him look ridiculous. Either he's had a breakdown or he's still an intelligent guy. But he hasn't just become a bumbling idiot, which seem to be the popular theory. I'm telling you, I smell a a Stan Kroenke and it's a fucking unpleasant stench.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

And I guess there's always the fundamental bottom line: if the people in charge aren't able or willing to sack the person supposedly wrecking the club, then there as much to blame as anyone else really. Sick of people like SB and PnG lumping the blame with one man when the owners are ultimately to blame for either poor judgement or weak leadership.

agree totoally with this. If your boss keeps you in the job no matter how poor you have been and seems to think your the right person, either he sees something we don't see or he's a fool.

[Niall_Quinn]

agree totoally with this. If your boss keeps you in the job no matter how poor you have been and seems to think your the right person, either he sees something we don't see or he's a fool.

Come on, the British establishment survives on incompetent idiots pushing out chairs for their incompetent idiot friends.

[AKBapologist]

If we had quality players like Bergkamp and Henry playing for us than yes, fair play. But we're paying guys that are nowhere near that standard.

We are paying for players who are exactly the standard we finished in. Only SAF is doing better than he should be in that regards, and even he is spending 20mill more a year than us on wages than we are.

I think we've just free'd up a whole ton of wages 30-40mill ish with the recent sales, lower wage bill than spurs and if it stays as is, that's where it'll say.

[Power n Glory]

Saying the fans should be patient all all that silverware stuff is bs for AW, but its nothing to do with someone saying the fans are idiots.

So by your logic then David moyes is a idiot because Bill kenwright called everton fans muppets, so David moyes must be a cunt.

Same with the leeds manager after bates told his fans to shut up and stop moaning.

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You're not getting it.

Why does Wenger feel the need to back the board if he disagrees with them? Why is he echoing the same message and the same sort of arrogance? Wenger isn't an idiot because of what PHW said, he's an idiot because he's being arrogant and showing a total disregard to the voice of the fans. Similar to how PHW is carrying on. I can't sympathise with him when he acts this way. Right now, people are making excuses for his behaviour. Most managers in a tough spot keep quiet and get on with the job or throw jabs back. They don't criticise the fans.