Do you still want Wenger as Arsenal manager?

[Flavs]

I always thought that managers submitted a list of players to the board that they wanted to sign and the board went off and got/didnt get them.

huh

[Kano]

Wenger is hardly a 'low level director', given he's directly linked to most of the profit the club makes.

Let's not keep using that silly phrase please, thanks.

compared to a chairman or ceo, then yes he clearly is

a sales/marketing director is heavily linked to a business' income, do you think he's running the show over a ceo?

[Niall_Quinn]

see this the blind alley you keep running down. i'm certainly not looking for excuses for wenger (beloved? come on man, grow up. you'll be talking about cliques and all that gay shit soon) and i'm not excusing his spending decisions or the issues around the team.

what i am and will continue to refute is the idea that a man who owns several business' would invest a sizeable amount into another one and then let a lower level director fully control it's direction. it would never ever happen, unless he really didn't care about his money.

Agree with that. This isn't a Wenger love-in, it's a question as to whether we should keep Wenger as manager. And if you ask that question and decide the answer is no, then you have to ask the question why do you want to get rid of him. If it's just for football reasons then I guess that's fair enough, but if it's because of this idea that Wenger runs the whole club from top to bottom then I'd said that's a poor reason because the assumption he controls everything cannot be true. Therefore he cannot be solely responsible for the problems we face and neither will it be a comprehensive nor instant solution should he be removed. What I'm saying is get your reasons straight for wanting him out and then be aware there's a whole other group who want him gone just for entertainment purposes and they'll be using you to hide behind and justify their actions in sticking the knife in.

[fakeyank]

You talk of the Arsene Wenger of old, not the one of the last six years. The biggest inconsistency with our transfer dealings this summer is the signing of AOC for 15M.

If Arsenal have a limited transfer budget, then surely that 15M would be put to better use on players that could fit into the team now, instead of being wasted on someone that likely won't have an impact for at least 2-3 years.

If the issue is down to wages as suggested by some, surely moves for various EPL players at standard (non top-6) clubs would not cause us to break any wage system structure and still improve the side.

That we're still having the same defensive issues as six years ago is down to Wenger and no one else.

That we've bought just two players from the English top flight in the last ten years is down to Wenger and no one else.

As for the question asked, I'd assume the same was asked in response to Nottingham Forest fans questioning the decisions Clough made before he got the club relegated.

In fact, the statement on Wikipedia reads very similar to what's happening to us...



They started that season better than we've started this as well.

Not saying Wenger will get us relegated as that's silly, but quality wise we have less in reserve than most sides in the top ten and this season could be a lot worse than people are assuming.

I think that only Wenger could pick up some of the players he's found on the fees he's paid for them, but quite a few managers could get more out of them tactically.

Lettuce bhaiya, there you go!

OAC doesnt make sense. Plus players like Samba, Parker who are a clear upgrade on the dross we have and also wouldnt be wanting 100K in wages! We get OAC.. I do know that his payment is not exactly 15 million- 5 million this season and other payments over appearances etc etc.. however a Scott Parker would cost 7-8 million or a Enrique wouldve cost 6! The truth is that AW wants project youth to succeed and he is a bloody stubborn man. The day he accepts that project youth is a failure, thats the day may be we will see the AW of old... till then.. :cry:

[Xhaka Can’t]

Lettuce bhaiya, there you go!

OAC doesnt make sense. Plus players like Samba, Parker who are a clear upgrade on the dross we have and also wouldnt be wanting 100K in wages! We get OAC.. I do know that his payment is not exactly 15 million- 5 million this season and other payments over appearances etc etc.. however a Scott Parker would cost 7-8 million or a Enrique wouldve cost 6! The truth is that AW wants project youth to succeed and he is a bloody stubborn man. The day he accepts that project youth is a failure, thats the day may be we will see the AW of old... till then.. :cry:

Yer Ma.

[fakeyank]

If that was the case why would Wenger tolerate it?

Can't see him as the martyr destroying his reputation for the sake of a few old men making a lot of money.

As much as I would love to wish that the restrictions (not buying top players) were imposed by the board because it is devastating watching Wenger decline from the man who created the Invincibles to the man that gave Denilson 150+ appearances, logically I can't see that to be the case given his actions in the past.

My man, you are killing it. Asian clique kicking some kundi!

[fakeyank]

When nothing else makes sense simply look for the tell-tale signs of who has gained and who has lost. The shareholders have gained massively, for very little investment and risk. So they are the big winners. Kroenke stands to gain potentially more if the debts are secure. He's bought a CL club with its own world class stadium, a large fan base and a healthy balance sheet. In football terms the ideal investment EVEN IF THE CLUB BEGINS TO DO BADLY ON THE PITCH. Remember the Channel 4 documentary that exposed the foreign ownership scam. What were they looking for above all else? Clubs on the wane that for a small investment could be turned into cash cows, in the short term at least. We don't know the details of Kroenke's takeover so we can't really speak about the levels of risk he has taken on. But if he's managed to hedge those risks by whatever method we can say that Stan is set to be a big winner too. And face it, why would he even bother if that's not the case? Is it a love of Arsenal?

So who has lost. That's simple to see because it's more in the open. The team has lost, not the individual players but the quality and entertainment value of the team as a whole. With ticket prices up and value for money down, the fans have been the big losers. People getting fucked over by the rich, so what's new there? And there's one other loser. A man who is undergoing the process of seeing his five star reputation transformed into a vehicle for the tabloids to shift their daily rags, Arsene Wenger, the "Wally Without the Brolly". He's mad you know.

If I had to guess, what we're experiencing here is withdrawal symptoms. We've just spent the best part of a half a decade being fucked by the shareholders in preparation for the big sell-off. Now that's happened there's an empty space where PHW and friends used to plant their tools. That space is ready for some American style fresh meat. So get ready because I'm betting what went before was just foreplay.

Yup, blame it on the Americans! Having said all that, just answer some questions, Why is Wenger still here? Why not quit? Why did he extend his contract from 2011 to 2014? Cant he hear the boos? Why is tarnishing his reputation for an 'American'?

Oh, and AW hasnt been spending before the American became the majority stake holder at Arsenal. Easy to blame the American but its the french c*ck F'in the club up!

[fakeyank]

Come on now, UTD never had money for the last few season thats why they never spent tbh, But fergir trusted his board and got results thats the diffrence.

I Can't tell you why we have not spent on qualtty this season and we'd never know till someone speaks out i suppose.

CTG, which side of the fence are you ? Sometimes I feel you are anti-wenger, sometimes I think you are pro-Wenger. I just make out..

[Olivier's xmas twist]

CTG, which side of the fence are you ? Sometimes I feel you are anti-wenger, sometimes I think you are pro-Wenger. I just make out..

Im not Wengers biggest fan by a mile but don't beileve all the shit is down to him. I gots respect for the man but don't always agrew with what he does, and ill say it as i see it a guess.

Just think people want to have a go at the man for any little thing, so they can rant. End of the day the club is in a mess and Wenger/ the board are all to blame

[Boss]

compared to a chairman or ceo, then yes he clearly is

a sales/marketing director is heavily linked to a business' income, do you think he's running the show over a ceo?

You're trying to compare a football club to an ordinary business when they're miles apart.

Comparing the manager of a football club to a sales/marketing director is laughable so let's not go down that track, thanks.