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    explain why it's laughable instead just offering glib meaningless responses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss View Post
    1. Wenger's never been one to spend big money on players - he prefers to buy his own and develop them. Even when he's bought high profile players in the past, it has been players on frees or at low prices (Klinsmann and Hoddle at Monaco, Campbell, Rosicky and Overmars with us). Everyone remembers the 'if we gave him 100M he'd give it back' quote and IIRC Wenger's gone on record saying that he prefers to make good players rather than buy them.

    2. Most of our 'large' signings have been in the 10-15M range, which the board has all sanctioned. The board has backed Wenger in the past for relatively 'big money' moves - Nasri, Arshavin, Reyes, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho, even the bids for Baptista+Robinho and all of those apart from Arshavin and maybe Gervinho are/were project players rather than finished product.

    It doesn't make sense that the board would sanction loads of bids for project players but not sanction lesser/equal bids for established players. Wenger has a lot more control over the financial side of transfers than managers at other clubs do and this has only increased since Dein left. He's also mentioned in the past that he prefers younger players due to their sell on value and it's no coincidence that every one of our 'big money' buys was under 25 years old (apart from Arshavin of course, a notable exception for the reason he was bought). Wenger also prefers to buy from outside the Premiership (fact) and believes that transfer values within the Premiership are inflated (he's stated this before iirc). Our only transfers from within the PL in the last 10 years have been Silvestre (750k), Campbell twice (free), Diarra (2-4M) and Gallas (part of the Cole transfer).

    Basically - why would the board sanction 15M for Nasri but not 16M for Alonso? Or 4M for Denilson but not 2M for Schwarzer? That is down to Wenger I'd believe.

    Some background reading that should back up some of the above:



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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    why would a new owner go against wenger when the club is making profit? noone seems to be answering that one. we are making profit, wenger is in charge, why would stan change this strategy and go against wenger which is what some of you are implying.

    i also never said they are blocking his ideas around the pitch. where did you get that from? im saying they arent blocking anything and its wenger who has chosen not to spend on experience. whilst some of you are saying it 'must' be down to board, as your beloved wenger cant suddenly have gone mad.
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    Well if you hold this to be true then how dare you put the "demise" of arsenal football club entirely on the shoulders of Wenger?

    The owners, the most senior persons at the club, the custodians, are allowing a destructive policy to continue without intervening, because it makes them a few extra bob in the short term? the people who should know better and who dictate the long-term stategy of the club (20 years +) allow a rogue employee "madman" to sell the club down the river, because of money?

    Whatever happens the buck stops at the owners, whichever way you want to twist it, the buck stops at the owners. This is their policy, just as a manager takes the flak for under performers being his players.
    Last edited by BOBN; 22-08-2011 at 04:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    explain why it's laughable instead just offering glib meaningless responses
    Instead of saying Wenger is directly linked to profit, I should have said he is the root of all of the profit we make.

    The stadium move was down to his brilliance in the transfer market, and everything about our premier 'product' our business offers (the team) is down to his actions.

    He's been here 14~ years and helped shape the club from top to bottom, in the way we're viewed as well as smaller things like fitness, style of play, attractiveness to fans and so on. He's far more influential than some marketing director who decides what stance Theo should be in as he poses for the new shirt.

    Not sure how difficult it is to understand why a manager entirely in charge of a club's vision gets far more importance, influence and control than what you'd term a 'low level director' (those of which we also have, and probably decide what colour the urinals in the stadium toilets are).
    Last edited by Boss; 22-08-2011 at 04:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBN View Post
    Well if you hold this to be true then how dare you put the "demise" of arsenal football club entirely on the shoulders of Wenger?

    The owners, the most senior persons at the club, the custodians, are allowing a destructive policy to continue without intervening, because it makes them a few extra bob in the short term? the people who should know better and who dictate the long-term stategy of the club (20 years +) allow a rogue employee "madman" to sell the club down the river, because of money?

    Whatever happens the buck stops at the owners, whichever way you want to twist it, the buck stops at the owners.
    I thought in a football club, the buck stops with the manager.. Here, our owner or board have NEVER given any signs where they said that they would not allow Arsene to spend money. A fair amount of people have given quotes where AW does not want to spend money yet there is a conspiracy theory in the background.. frankly its retarded!
    People on here are making the board sound like they are Mike Ashley types. They have always vocally come out and said they will sanction moves that AW require yet the board, the american, the random Bangladeshi are all to blame.. AW is the victim!

    As for the part about demise- here is how I look at it. Arsenal as a business is flourishing, we are THE best. Arsenal as a football club is falling rapidly. I see posts from Lettuce where he says that we should be 6th, fighting for 4th easily.. WTF! We should be talking about challenging for titles not talking about 4th place as a trophy. See what AW has done to us?! FFS open your eyes... AW has to leave!
    Last edited by fakeyank; 22-08-2011 at 04:09 PM.

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    The poll is closer than i thought it would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ach View Post
    The poll is closer than i thought it would be
    All of those votes are down to deluded people like Letters who believe Wenger should be here for the rest of his life. a) hope white text still works and b) waits for Letters to say that he's called for Wenger to go earlier this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ach View Post
    The poll is closer than i thought it would be
    Surprises me too. I thought he'd have 4-5 votes at most. Seems like 'Wenger love-in' flu is going around ever since our loss to Pool.. That has influenced the poll.. however seems like GW as a whole hasnt been affected by this stupid virus.

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    Wenger even had a say in the design of the changing rooms, and the catering service provided at the Emirates. That suggests this is a man who has a HUGE amount of influence at the club.

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    I havent read the thread, just voted but i really cant see how anyone can defend Wenger anymore.

    Il have to read it and see this delusional defence of Wenger. Need a laugh tbh

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