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    Quote Originally Posted by Nayan View Post
    wilshere needs games to get his fitness abck Letting him cover for cazorla while ramsey enjoys a purple patch of form could be just the thing.

    Flamini showed why he should only be backup to arteta. MOTD had it right when they flagged how exposed our midfield left the defence
    No he shouldn't. Various arsenal sites and personnel on the social media have explained how Flamini's positioning in the 2 clips shown by Shearer were actually not too bad, hence why it's baffling he chose to highlight Flamini's 'lack of cover' when he was actually covering.

    Excellent player.

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    Flamini's job is to protect the back 4 by protecting the space between the midfield and defence, the clips they showed clearly highlighted he wasn't doing that and that's the reason Sunderland had so much more play in the 2nd half.

    The rest of the midfielders simply can't take that role as they're all attacking players. Flamini puts himself about admirably but in terms of protecting the defence in the game on Saturday he was somewhat lacking.

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    Shearer was talking crap. I wouldn't trust his analysis or what any of them have to say on MOTD at all.

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    The only thing Shearer should analyse is strikers, because he's useless at analysing any other position.

    The first example:

    Flamini was in the right position there just outside the D, marking someone. Wilshere and/or Ramsey should've been behind those two midfielders on the right but they were a little slow to get back.

    Second example:

    Again, nothing wrong there. Flamini was marking the furthest forward midfielder and on his way back.

    Third example (the disallowed goal):

    Right where he should be again. According to Shearer he should have been cutting out the pass to Altidore..? And leave a huge gap in front of the defense?

    I didn't want Flamini back at Arsenal but I have to admit he's doing a good job so far. It looks like he has learned a bit at Milan as he's improved on the positional side of the game and is far less ball-chasey than he was in his first spell here. He gives our midfield some much needed bite and graft.

    He does need to improve on the ball and pass more intelligently though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    Third example (the disallowed goal):

    Right where he should be again. According to Shearer he should have been cutting out the pass to Altidore..? And leave a huge gap in front of the defense?
    There's noone in that gap, everyone else significantly in front of the other midfielders and thus they can track back if they see them moving forward, cutting out the pass to Altidore would be the logical thing to be doing rather than covering empty space where there's no danger.

    Being a DM isn't just about sitting in a space waiting, it's anticipating danger as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    They were doing the 'O-zil to the arsenal'.

    Need a better one quickly or he's fucking off. We shouldn't have wasted that gem on Giroud, he's not going anywhere. Na na na nana na naaa mesuuuuut. But now it's all ruined.
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    The Nananana one is amazing, you can hear it from a mile off !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penguin View Post
    The only thing Shearer should analyse is strikers, because he's useless at analysing any other position.

    The first example:

    Flamini was in the right position there just outside the D, marking someone. Wilshere and/or Ramsey should've been behind those two midfielders on the right but they were a little slow to get back.

    Second example:

    Again, nothing wrong there. Flamini was marking the furthest forward midfielder and on his way back.

    Third example (the disallowed goal):

    Right where he should be again. According to Shearer he should have been cutting out the pass to Altidore..? And leave a huge gap in front of the defense?

    I didn't want Flamini back at Arsenal but I have to admit he's doing a good job so far. It looks like he has learned a bit at Milan as he's improved on the positional side of the game and is far less ball-chasey than he was in his first spell here. He gives our midfield some much needed bite and graft.

    He does need to improve on the ball and pass more intelligently though.
    Superb post.

    I was just about to post the videos and analyse them but you've done it all for me.

    Flamini's positioning for clip 1 was great, on his way back to stifle their attack.

    For clip 2, he's the only midfield player tracking back. He's clearly in between the defence and midfield.

    For clip 3, if he goes to Altidore, the other sunderland player will run into the space where he's standing now with a free pass on goal. By standing there he has effectively cut out the massive gap we so often see between the defence and midfield. Then Shearer would say 'he should have been in the gap, he's committed himself and left space in behind'.

    As we have gathered by now, Shearer's analysis was shocking.

    Flamini was outstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Shearer was talking crap. I wouldn't trust his analysis or what any of them have to say on MOTD at all.
    I have it on good word from a friend who worked there that the only one who actually watches the matches in detail is Dixon. The rest have their PA's doing all the work for them and they just talk about what's been highlighted. Explains their nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    There's noone in that gap, everyone else significantly in front of the other midfielders and thus they can track back if they see them moving forward, cutting out the pass to Altidore would be the logical thing to be doing rather than covering empty space where there's no danger.

    Being a DM isn't just about sitting in a space waiting, it's anticipating danger as well.
    If he moves to block the pass, the Sunderland striker sat on Koscielny's shoulder, drops back into the space to pick up the ball, or when Altidore makes the run, dragging Sagna with him, the Sunderland striker (Gardener?) can make the run directly through the middle.

    Flamini is in exactly the right spot tbf.
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