Jack Wilshere and our future midfield

[LDG]

He'll have a stormer tonight.

[Nayan]

I seem to remember him being the only arsenal player left with any dignity when bayern came to our house and destroyed us.
He'll captain England one day. No doubt in my mind

[Ollie the Optimist]

arsenal fans hyped him up of course, every club does taht to their own players. but it was the media, the pundits, who really hyped him up and put pressure on him. when he came back from injury last season, of course people were excited and looking forward to having him back, but because the media have hyped him up as englands saviour, he didnt have the pressure of just arsenal fans, he had the pressure of england.

jack will come good. he had some outstanding games last season, and before his injury. hes only 21. just look at ramsey as to why its wise not to go to far in writing him off now. by all means critisice him when he plays badly, but lets not say he wont ever make it etc

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

it wasnt just GW who were "writing him off" you only had too look at twitter, listen to fans in the pubs or at the ground. loads were writing him off, syaing he would never be good enough, should be sold/loaned out.

no one has a problem with people saying that x player isnt playing well and should be dropped for the next game etc. but there were a lot of arsenal fans taking that further with ramsey. some even said they wished he was dead. thats writing him off. and it happened.

I'm on about Wilshere. Absolutely no Arsenal fan has written him off. In fact on the social media sites it's the gooners sticking up for him while others are writing him off.

[Ollie the Optimist]

I'm on about Wilshere. Absolutely no Arsenal fan has written him off. In fact on the social media sites it's the gooners sticking up for him while others are writing him off.

my mistake. misread your post

[Penguin]

Who's writing him off? GW has this incredible ability of completely getting the wrong end of the stick. Truth is viewed as 'writing off'.

I'm on about Wilshere. Absolutely no Arsenal fan has written him off. In fact on the social media sites it's the gooners sticking up for him while others are writing him off.

I said Ramsey was written off, not Wilshere.

Not all gooners are sticking up for Jack. Even here I've read posts saying we should sell him before everyone realises he's crap, or that he's just an average player. He's a 21 year old who has been shoved into the limelight aged 18 and has been disrupted by a long-term injury. Of course he's going to have slumps in his form.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I said Ramsey was written off, not Wilshere.

Not all gooners are sticking up for Jack. Even here I've read posts saying we should sell him before everyone realises he's crap, or that he's just an average player. He's a 21 year old who has been shoved into the limelight aged 18 and has been disrupted by a long-term injury. Of course he's going to have slumps in his form.

People who wanted him sold were posting just to get a reaction out of people. They are now banned I believe.

[Nayan]

so THAT is what he got banned for?

[Power n Glory]

We can’t get caught up in the long term predictions when assessing a players performance. If you said Ramsey was playing shit and shouldn’t be playing in the first based on that performance, there is nothing wrong with that. The exact same applies to Wilshere. Any player that’s having a negative effect on the team shouldn’t be playing. Cheseny has potential as a keeper but when we was dropping clangers he was a liability. Keeping him between the sticks for the sake of development but to the detriment of the team is madness. That’s where Wenger has gotten things wrong over the years.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

Jack hasn't been moved to the wing for 'his development' like Ramsey has but there are important distinctions to be made in the 2/3 roles within that midfield 3 that Jack naturally needs time to work through and understand. There are nuances related to taking up a position closer to the strikers that are distinct from those in a position closer to the defenders and even a natural footballer needs time to hone the application of his skills to those roles in that respect. His partnepsrs in midfield have regularly changed to, from Cesc and Song, Ramsey, Arteta, Diaby (don't laugh) Rosicky, to Flamini and Ramsey again. If he is wise he will try to learn something from than many great players he has already played with.... Cesc, Arteta, Rosicky....Denilson, Bischoff......maybe Gerrard.

There is no doubt in my mind that once his injuries settle down we will see more consistency from him and his last run of good games was not so long ago that it is difficult to see him moving forward. I tend to think great players often recognise their faults, even before anyone has moaned about them, even if they are not going to sing about what they are from the roof tops. It is easy to think a repeated mistake is directly related to a lack of acknowledgement of a problem but that is a little over simplified. Errors are the result of bad habits are learned. They are not necessarily eradicated easily. It takes time to create good habits just as it does to rid yourself of bad ones.

I would argue Jack's improvement (and there was one in my honest opinion) against Sunderland was partly down to recognising he is over playing it and how needless that is in light of the genius he suddenly finds himself playing with in Ozil(I can't be arsed to source the umlaut!). The chance he created for Theo's header was well seen and even better executed. Even for England he saw a lot of potentially inviting passes but he failed to execute them. Had he done so and had Theo been in better finishing form the whole mood of that game and the stick he got in the aftermath might have been different.

I couldn't be more delighted we have both Jack and Ramsey at the club. One is our very own and one was bought for 5 million and to top it off I think Chamberlain is of their ilk in terms of raw talent. He has something of the power on the ball that Jack shows at times but has the speed that neither of the two posses allied with incredible shooting technique superior to both. Jack's development is still way down in a list of issues we have at the club. It would be nice if this was the only issue with the squad!