Match Reaction - Dortmund

[Xhaka Can’t]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc which I simply pointed out was over two different seasons and this season results simply can't attributed to this. I gave you some facts as well, as for this conjecture you go on about, I have to laugh because your argument about the best run of any team is as I have pointed means little since we've actually got nothing to show for it and runs over two separate seasons and thus has no impact on the present day.

As for not stating I've not posted at all, no not in so many words but the below pretty much means the same, so don't play me for a fool:

There is nothing deluded about seeing exactly what happened. Bayern made it through on a technicality - the slimmest margin possible as they cowered to corner flags desperately wasting as much tme as they could. Barca were subsequently murdered in both legs.

That 'pointless result' has been followed by some of the best and most prolonged set of good results this Club has seen in many years. And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

Like I said, next to bugger all, which has been the case.

And you still don't understand what a sequence means.

[Özim]

Like I said, next to bugger all, which has been the case.

And you still don't understand what a sequence means.

Moving goalpost I see

From this:

You are nowhere to be seen when we win - but its 'happy days are here again' for you when we don't.

To this

And it is a key reason why we've seen next to fuck all from you all season.

Talk about being a hypocrit.

I understand what a sequence is thanks, but I neither care nor think it's very relevant to our current setup because as stated countless times one season does not relate to the next, what I'm saying is it's a moot point.

[Xhaka Can’t]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc which I simply pointed out was over two different seasons and this season results simply can't attributed to this. I gave you some facts as well, as for this conjecture you go on about, I have to laugh because your argument about the best run of any team is as I have pointed means little since we've actually got nothing to show for it and runs over two separate seasons and thus has no impact on the present day.
As for not stating I've not posted at all, no not in so many words but the below pretty much means the same, so don't play me for a fool:

If that were the case, we'd be talking about our match against the likes of Sheriff tonight. And we would not be talking about a team that is markedly superior in just about every respect to the one prior to the Bayern match.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Moving goalpost I see

From this:



To this



Talk about being a hypocrit.

I understand what a sequence is thanks, but I neither care nor think it's very relevant to our current setup because as stated countless times one season does not relate to the next, what I'm saying is it's a moot point.

It is pretty much a fact that you go from barely a peep when we win, to the most prolific of posters when we lose.

edit: That sequence that means nothing to you, is one that has seen us into the CL and placed us on top of the League.

[Özim]

If that were the case, we'd be talking about our match against the likes of Sheriff tonight. And we would not be talking about a team that is markedly superior in just about every respect to the one prior to the Bayern match.

Surely we're talking about our form here and how the team is performing rather than what tournaments some games last season allowed us to qualify for?

My point has been entirely based on our form/performances and in my eyes that's what referring to a run of games refers to rather than qualification for a particular competition.

[Özim]

It is pretty much a fact that you go from barely a peep when we win, to the most prolific of posters when we lose.

edit: That sequence that means nothing to you, is one that has seen us into the CL and placed us on top of the League.

Yes and as I've explained many times now there's a good reason for that, when we win there's barely any debate and much less posting, you post your opinion on a player and the performance and that's pretty much it, noone questions it, noone discusses it it's all pretty mundane, the reason I post more when we lose is that people like you pick up on my posts and reply to them thus prompting a response from me and so on. There are points to discuss and that are disagreed on, which is rarely the case when we win,

It means nothing to me in terms of a sequence of results no, this season's form does mean something to me as each game is very relevant to the next. As for the CL qualifcation, yes we qualified last season, I neither enjoyed our games then nor cared if we qualified at the time.

[Letters]

No not really, I've already told you my thoughts about the Bayern match and how meaningless I think it is, you're the one that deviated to our run since that game etc

That's hardly a deviation. No game can be seen in isolation, whatever YOU think of that result it was clearly a confidence boost to the team. You may have seen it as meaningless as it didn't see us go through but the players didn't. It was the first game we'd played after the defeat at WHL. Had we lost that too or, worse, got a whipping I can't believe we'd have gone on the run we subsequently did. That run - which presumably you also regard as meaningless because it didn't lead to a trophy which is your only criteria for success in football - meant we qualified for the CL.

Now we come to this season. I think most of us attribute our run so far to the lift signing Özil has given us. Question for you - would he have signed for a side in the Europa League? Would he balls. So it is all linked to what we did last season and that run started with the Bayern game.

[Özim]

That's hardly a deviation. No game can be seen in isolation, whatever YOU think of that result it was clearly a confidence boost to the team. You may have seen it as meaningless as it didn't see us go through but the players didn't. It was the first game we'd played after the defeat at WHL. Had we lost that too or, worse, got a whipping I can't believe we'd have gone on the run we subsequently did. That run - which presumably you also regard as meaningless because it didn't lead to a trophy which is your only criteria for success in football - meant we qualified for the CL.

Now we come to this season. I think most of us attribute our run so far to the lift signing Özil has given us. Question for you - would he have signed for a side in the Europa League? Would he balls. So it is all linked to what we did last season and that run started with the Bayern game.

Maybe not, but we lost the tie, even though we won the game we still went out and IMO that's a negative end not a positive one and this after losing to Spurs. I don't put too much emphasis on that result simply because to be honest we didn't play that well at the end of the season, we scraped to win rather than winning them at a canter whilst what you could deem as form football. Form is usually reflected in performances just like it largely has been this season.

Yes Ozil has made a huge difference, there's no way of being sure but perhaps not but when we refer to a sequence of results we certainly don't think about qualification for a tournament the following season or the signing of a player, what is usually meant is how the team performs over this period and how each game is linked to the confidence achieved from a string of positive results.

You're correct in that the other aspects do influence our season, but simply pointing out a sequence of results over two seasons does not illustrate this.

I think games in one particular season are relevant to each other but I don't think games in one season followed by a 2-3 month break and then games in the following season have any relevance to each other.

[Power n Glory]

I think games in one particular season are relevant to each other but I don't think games in one season followed by a 2-3 month break and then games in the following season have any

We lost our opening game at home so I see where you're coming with that last point.

[Globalgunner]

Yes and as I've explained many times now there's a good reason for that, when we win there's barely any debate and much less posting, you post your opinion on a player and the performance and that's pretty much it, noone questions it, noone discusses it it's all pretty mundane, the reason I post more when we lose is that people like you pick up on my posts and reply to them thus prompting a response from me and so on. There are points to discuss and that are disagreed on, which is rarely the case when we win,

It means nothing to me in terms of a sequence of results no, this season's form does mean something to me as each game is very relevant to the next. As for the CL qualifcation, yes we qualified last season, I neither enjoyed our games then nor cared if we qualified at the time.

Ozim, there is no point arguing the toss with with these chaps, they can go on talking in circles far longer than you can. What is anybody's point arguing that we were great against Bayern whence lost the tie. It was the same B.S. when we beat Milan in Milan. WE LOST THE BLOODY TIE.!!
There is no glory in losing. It reminds me of the joke the Scots like to make about how they were the true World Champs because they were the 1st team to beat England after 1966. The only difference is that the Scots know it's a joke. Some however on GW strut about on the web saying how brilliant we actually are.
The only truth is that it is only on the pages of GW that such arguments can be made. I dare any of these Muppets to go on any public forum or in the midst of other fans and make such puerile arguments.
We haven't won anything yet. We haven't won the CL in 17 attempts. This loss may be a blimp, but I see no reason to be making any vainglorious pronouncements on our prospects. The reason we have beenknocked out of the 16 round these last few seasons is that we always come second in the group. 2nd place e will inevitably mean meeting Barca or Real or Bayern et al. We needed to get a draw at worst.
It was a bad result , and we have not yet proved we are a great team yet.