Napoli v Arsenal match reaction - let the bed wetting begin!

[Dein-machine]

Goonersweb is not unique, you will find the same arguments raging on forums for all teams, no matter how good or bad they are.

We have people on here who think AW is the greatest thing to happen to our club & want many more years from him, we have those who think AW has been great but are undecided if he can take us forward, we have those who think he's been great but time for a change, we have those that wanted him out years ago.

None of us actually know who's right or wrong, but we all have an opinion based on our love for the club. Personally, I didn't start this season expecting it to be any different to previous years especially after our lack of Summers Spending.

We get beat by Villa, we look weak defensively, hit & miss upfront. We sign Ozil, which gave us all a lift ( nobody thinking 1 man could win the league ), but with the feeling that we could finally start to compete again. We then start to win every game, playing some great football, Giroud can't stop scoring, Ramsey's suddenly the best player in the world & our defence looks rock solid.

"Hang on a minute" me thinks - has AW finally got his tactics right & found a formula with consistancy, we smash Napoli in probably the best 45 mins at the Emirates I've seen for years, we play well against Dortund at home, especially second half & lose to a smash & grab from them, we turn that round by doing what no other team has done for years by beating Dortmund in their own stadium, "Hang on a minute" me thinks, maybe AW has definatley got a formula because we're top of the league by quite a few points & the players seem so confident in every game, surely we can finally go to Old Traffford to smash the Mancs because they are playing shit & they shouldn't be able to live with our movement & passing game on a big pitch

--- but AW decides to sit back & not use the strenghts that have set us on fire, we play defensivley like we always do at O.T & we get beat, we get three wins against Cardiff, Southampton & Hull because they are teams that we are allowed to attack but we're all told things are about to get tougher with games against Everton, Napoli, Man City & Chelsea. We were at home to Everton, they play good football but they play in a way that is supposed to suit us. Teams that attack us are often open at the back & our superior passing & movement will prevail. But we sit back, we don't play Walcott althogh he is fit. Oviedo has a field day down our right hand side exactly as he had done a few days earlier at O.T. Did we not realise starting Walcott would have stopped that.

We had no one running past Giroud & played far too deep. Anyway we get a point from a game that we normally win, we've spent £42 million on a world class player since we last played them, they've bought a bloke from Wigan, borrowed one from Chelsea & chucked on a Spanish choir-boy who they've also borrowed - and yet some of you say we should be happy with the point.

We then take our slightly less confident dream team to Napoli, AW doesn't learn his lesson from the Everton game that we don't do negative very well & he sets up a team to try not to attack to much. In his own words we would only bring Theo of the bench if we needed to score. We get beat 2-0 by a very average Napoli side & we go home even less confident about ourselves. Ozil wondering why we bought him if we don't want to beat teams like Man Utd, Everton or Napoli. "Hang on a minute" me thinks - AW is back to he's old tricks of trying to be tactical when he's not very good at it.

At Colney we teach total football, tiki-taka football - lets play like Barca - when do you see Barca playing negatively.

This is why some of us who are far from convinced about AW will vent our frustrations on forums like this. We don't train our players to play negatively, we finally buy a world class player to create assists & score, we have a midfielder who can't stop scoring & the fastest guy in the league back from injury who is going to be even more dangerous with Ozil in the team & we fuck it all up by not playing to our strenghts.

We had a go at Dortmund at home, we lost - so what, we are going to lose games along the way but at least we had a go playing positive football. I don't come on this site & dig out AW every time we lose but feel totally entitled to when I feel HE has cost us the game. Can't blame any of the players on Wed, they had a leash put on them & they are not used to it. I can't change the mind of certain Wengerites on this site & I undertand that but they must also realise that until we see less negativity from him against the top teams you will see plenty more "bed wetting" on this site & others.

[Penguin]

Paragraphs please!

[GP]

No one is gonna read that.

[Niall_Quinn]

I read it. He's right. Wenger cost us 2 points against Everton and top spot in our CL group. On the other hand, his faith in certain players has started to be rewarded. He's right about some things, wrong about others. It wouldn't be so difficult for him to be a bit less conservative but he's a stubborn guy who likes his statistics and averages - but these aren't what winners at the very top level rely on. It's frustrating, he thinks he knows best but can't show anything from the last 8 years to prove it.

[IBK]

Goonersweb is not unique, you will find the same arguments raging on forums for all teams, no matter how good or bad they are.

We have people on here who think AW is the greatest thing to happen to our club & want many more years from him, we have those who think AW has been great but are undecided if he can take us forward, we have those who think he's been great but time for a change, we have those that wanted him out years ago.

None of us actually know who's right or wrong, but we all have an opinion based on our love for the club. Personally, I didn't start this season expecting it to be any different to previous years especially after our lack of Summers Spending.

We get beat by Villa, we look weak defensively, hit & miss upfront. We sign Ozil, which gave us all a lift ( nobody thinking 1 man could win the league ), but with the feeling that we could finally start to compete again. We then start to win every game, playing some great football, Giroud can't stop scoring, Ramsey's suddenly the best player in the world & our defence looks rock solid.

"Hang on a minute" me thinks - has AW finally got his tactics right & found a formula with consistancy, we smash Napoli in probably the best 45 mins at the Emirates I've seen for years, we play well against Dortund at home, especially second half & lose to a smash & grab from them, we turn that round by doing what no other team has done for years by beating Dortmund in their own stadium, "Hang on a minute" me thinks, maybe AW has definatley got a formula because we're top of the league by quite a few points & the players seem so confident in every game, surely we can finally go to Old Traffford to smash the Mancs because they are playing shit & they shouldn't be able to live with our movement & passing game on a big pitch

--- but AW decides to sit back & not use the strenghts that have set us on fire, we play defensivley like we always do at O.T & we get beat, we get three wins against Cardiff, Southampton & Hull because they are teams that we are allowed to attack but we're all told things are about to get tougher with games against Everton, Napoli, Man City & Chelsea. We were at home to Everton, they play good football but they play in a way that is supposed to suit us. Teams that attack us are often open at the back & our superior passing & movement will prevail. But we sit back, we don't play Walcott althogh he is fit. Oviedo has a field day down our right hand side exactly as he had done a few days earlier at O.T. Did we not realise starting Walcott would have stopped that.

We had no one running past Giroud & played far too deep. Anyway we get a point from a game that we normally win, we've spent £42 million on a world class player since we last played them, they've bought a bloke from Wigan, borrowed one from Chelsea & chucked on a Spanish choir-boy who they've also borrowed - and yet some of you say we should be happy with the point.

We then take our slightly less confident dream team to Napoli, AW doesn't learn his lesson from the Everton game that we don't do negative very well & he sets up a team to try not to attack to much. In his own words we would only bring Theo of the bench if we needed to score. We get beat 2-0 by a very average Napoli side & we go home even less confident about ourselves. Ozil wondering why we bought him if we don't want to beat teams like Man Utd, Everton or Napoli. "Hang on a minute" me thinks - AW is back to he's old tricks of trying to be tactical when he's not very good at it.

At Colney we teach total football, tiki-taka football - lets play like Barca - when do you see Barca playing negatively.

This is why some of us who are far from convinced about AW will vent our frustrations on forums like this. We don't train our players to play negatively, we finally buy a world class player to create assists & score, we have a midfielder who can't stop scoring & the fastest guy in the league back from injury who is going to be even more dangerous with Ozil in the team & we fuck it all up by not playing to our strenghts.

We had a go at Dortmund at home, we lost - so what, we are going to lose games along the way but at least we had a go playing positive football. I don't come on this site & dig out AW every time we lose but feel totally entitled to when I feel HE has cost us the game. Can't blame any of the players on Wed, they had a leash put on them & they are not used to it. I can't change the mind of certain Wengerites on this site & I undertand that but they must also realise that until we see less negativity from him against the top teams you will see plenty more "bed wetting" on this site & others.

I read it too - and I agree in the sense that despite all the obvious improvement our manager like our team seems to fall short of what is needed to be ruthless and do what it takes to win. We clearly tried to sign strikers this Summer but fell short. Ozil was important but did not make up for our lack of firepower. We have been great so far this season but in attacking terms that owes much to Ramsey's unexpected form.

Like it or not, our team is slowing down. And it's difficult not to start thinking that while our first team, on form are league winners, our squad is too small in terms of top top quality to weather fatigue, bad luck or players being off form. With our better financial situation surely we could have done that little bit more to prevent that feeling that we are still a bit brittle?

It's a similar thing with some of our tactics. However you analyse AW's tactical performance in matches the ultimate feeling is that our manager is not as unaffected by other teams as he would have us believe. We often seem to lack a bit of boldness - which is the true manifestation of self belief.

[Power n Glory]

@Dein-machine.

The team selection and tactical decisions are beginning to worry me. We've gotten it wrong a a few times now and I sense that Wenger hasn't quite gotten it out of his system. I anxious to see what he does against City.

The January transfer window will be a pivotal moment. I hope Wenger has seen what we're lacking and addresses the issue.

[Özim]

No one is gonna read that.

Wrong, as usual.

[Özim]

Goonersweb is not unique, you will find the same arguments raging on forums for all teams, no matter how good or bad they are.

We have people on here who think AW is the greatest thing to happen to our club & want many more years from him, we have those who think AW has been great but are undecided if he can take us forward, we have those who think he's been great but time for a change, we have those that wanted him out years ago.

None of us actually know who's right or wrong, but we all have an opinion based on our love for the club. Personally, I didn't start this season expecting it to be any different to previous years especially after our lack of Summers Spending.

We get beat by Villa, we look weak defensively, hit & miss upfront. We sign Ozil, which gave us all a lift ( nobody thinking 1 man could win the league ), but with the feeling that we could finally start to compete again. We then start to win every game, playing some great football, Giroud can't stop scoring, Ramsey's suddenly the best player in the world & our defence looks rock solid.

"Hang on a minute" me thinks - has AW finally got his tactics right & found a formula with consistancy, we smash Napoli in probably the best 45 mins at the Emirates I've seen for years, we play well against Dortund at home, especially second half & lose to a smash & grab from them, we turn that round by doing what no other team has done for years by beating Dortmund in their own stadium, "Hang on a minute" me thinks, maybe AW has definatley got a formula because we're top of the league by quite a few points & the players seem so confident in every game, surely we can finally go to Old Traffford to smash the Mancs because they are playing shit & they shouldn't be able to live with our movement & passing game on a big pitch

--- but AW decides to sit back & not use the strenghts that have set us on fire, we play defensivley like we always do at O.T & we get beat, we get three wins against Cardiff, Southampton & Hull because they are teams that we are allowed to attack but we're all told things are about to get tougher with games against Everton, Napoli, Man City & Chelsea. We were at home to Everton, they play good football but they play in a way that is supposed to suit us. Teams that attack us are often open at the back & our superior passing & movement will prevail. But we sit back, we don't play Walcott althogh he is fit. Oviedo has a field day down our right hand side exactly as he had done a few days earlier at O.T. Did we not realise starting Walcott would have stopped that.

We had no one running past Giroud & played far too deep. Anyway we get a point from a game that we normally win, we've spent £42 million on a world class player since we last played them, they've bought a bloke from Wigan, borrowed one from Chelsea & chucked on a Spanish choir-boy who they've also borrowed - and yet some of you say we should be happy with the point.

We then take our slightly less confident dream team to Napoli, AW doesn't learn his lesson from the Everton game that we don't do negative very well & he sets up a team to try not to attack to much. In his own words we would only bring Theo of the bench if we needed to score. We get beat 2-0 by a very average Napoli side & we go home even less confident about ourselves. Ozil wondering why we bought him if we don't want to beat teams like Man Utd, Everton or Napoli. "Hang on a minute" me thinks - AW is back to he's old tricks of trying to be tactical when he's not very good at it.

At Colney we teach total football, tiki-taka football - lets play like Barca - when do you see Barca playing negatively.

This is why some of us who are far from convinced about AW will vent our frustrations on forums like this. We don't train our players to play negatively, we finally buy a world class player to create assists & score, we have a midfielder who can't stop scoring & the fastest guy in the league back from injury who is going to be even more dangerous with Ozil in the team & we fuck it all up by not playing to our strenghts.

We had a go at Dortmund at home, we lost - so what, we are going to lose games along the way but at least we had a go playing positive football. I don't come on this site & dig out AW every time we lose but feel totally entitled to when I feel HE has cost us the game. Can't blame any of the players on Wed, they had a leash put on them & they are not used to it. I can't change the mind of certain Wengerites on this site & I undertand that but they must also realise that until we see less negativity from him against the top teams you will see plenty more "bed wetting" on this site & others.

:goodpost: I didn't expect us to win the title this season, though the Ozil signing certainly excited me an raised my hopes but given the position we've got ourselves in we should be frightened of anyone and certainly shouldn't play negatively.

If people are saying a draw against Everton is a good result then I guess they are saying we're in a false position and don't deserve to be top and have just been fortunate to be there, why else would we be happy with a team several places below us when we're playing at home.

If you're top of the league at this stage of the season you should fancy your chances against any team in the league.

[Xhaka Can’t]

Wrong, as usual.

I edited it following GP's post so that there were paragraphs.

[Xhaka Can’t]

:goodpost: I didn't expect us to win the title this season, though the Ozil signing certainly excited me an raised my hopes but given the position we've got ourselves in we should be frightened of anyone and certainly shouldn't play negatively.

If people are saying a draw against Everton is a good result then I guess they are saying we're in a false position and don't deserve to be top and have just been fortunate to be there, why else would we be happy with a team several places below us when we're playing at home.

If you're top of the league at this stage of the season you should fancy your chances against any team in the league.

It was a good result based on how the match went. It could well have been worse. It is doubtful any of us wanted the draw prior to it. But Everton got the result they deserved.