Match Reaction vs Man City (away).

[Niall_Quinn]

If the ref blew for offside every time Aguero touched the ball then they wouldn't so effective.

[Niall_Quinn]

What club was Walcott flirting with? How do you feel about Sagna? It would be dumb for anyone to say he's a useless player just because he's unsure of the contract we're offering him and that's the route you went down with Theo. It was stupid.

What? Where do you get this stuff?

Walcott has been average at best since he signed his contract, with a few decent performances sprinkled in. He's terribly inconsistent. He's at least 10 times as guilty of doing what some are criticising Wilshere for - giving the ball away cheaply, failing to track back, going missing from games. I didn't cricitise his performances because of his contract, I criticised him when he was playing badly. I citicised him as a person in terms of his contract issues, that's entirely different and entirely valid from a fan's personal perspective. It's you who's rolling the two things together to try and make a point that doesn't exist.

[Niall_Quinn]

On Sagna, if he wants to go let him go. Yes, my attitude towards him changed when he started his contract antics. I assume he'll be gone at the end of the season, but I hope he plays well until then. If you are spotting a trend then yes, there is one. I don't think as highly of players who express a wish to be elsewhere. RvP is not one of my favourites either.

[Power n Glory]

What? Where do you get this stuff?

Walcott has been average at best since he signed his contract, with a few decent performances sprinkled in. He's terribly inconsistent. He's at least 10 times as guilty of doing what some are criticising Wilshere for - giving the ball away cheaply, failing to track back, going missing from games. I didn't cricitise his performances because of his contract, I criticised him when he was playing badly. I citicised him as a person in terms of his contract issues, that's entirely different and entirely valid from a fan's personal perspective. It's you who's rolling the two things together to try and make a point that doesn't exist.

Maybe you should stop posting waffle like this then. That's just laughable.

Didn't say Wilshere had a good game, I'm talking about an agenda that seems to be building against him. It's reminiscent of the whole Ramsey thing where we were all wrong. Wilshere has shown enough in the past to suggest he can be a great player for us, let's not do a Ramsey on him. I wonder if with a bit more support Ramsey would have fought back even sooner? The media is shite, they aren't about reporting the last game, they are all about marketing the next one and the more hype they can generate the better for them. Fans don't need to be anywhere near that unless they want one of those bandwagons to start rolling when bullshit turns into reality simply because everyone is swallowing it. Wilshere is neither the savior of English football (media bullshit) nor is he crap as some would make out - they say he's "overrated" which is pretty much an admission they buy into the media hype in the first place. He's a decent young player with a ton of potential and hopefully he'll realise that potential here at Arsenal.

[Niall_Quinn]

Lazy response. Show me why it's laughable.

[BOBN]

I'll agree with you that Zidane and Ronaldinho was among the best (its funny you're mentioning those 2 considering nobody knew who they were at the age of 21 and you're hammering Wilshere for not being world class at that age), but Zidane rarely scored goals and only has 4-5 goals vs good teams throughout his career. At the age of 24 Özil already has 4 times as many assists as Zidane had throughout his career and are scoring the same amount of goals pr. season as Zidane did. 50% more assists than Ronaldinho had throughout his entire career.

Both Ronaldinho and Zidane didnt really flourish/perform until they entered their mid 20s (24-25) when they got sold from mid-table teams(bordeaux finished 16th the year Zidane got sold & PSG finished 11th the year Ronaldinho got sold) to big teams (Juventus & Barcelona), thats the age Özil are entering now and he's already performed at a high level for years and are still improving.

Quit lying

At 22, Ronaldinho was making Ashley Cole do the chicken dance



and was part of a triumvirate which blasted its way to the World Cup.

If youre saying Ozil has the stats, why are you throwing a tiff about me not liking him because be doesnt have the eye-catching stats? Lets face it, it has nothing to do with stats, right now hes not imposing himself on games the way the very best players do.

[Power n Glory]

Lazy response. Show me why it's laughable.

It’s laughable because you of all people come lumbering in talking about a ‘media agenda’ and ‘support’ for an underperforming player considering the amount of crap you’ve given Walcott and others. Everyone has their favourites and I’m not against player criticism but I’m not buying this ‘media agenda’ stuff and this line.

I wonder if with a bit more support Ramsey would have fought back even sooner?

If a player is playing crap this is the right place to mention it.

[Özim]

We're top of the league and got through a CL group most of us thought we'd struggle to qualify from.
You haven't had much opportunity to be critical. A few bad results and BAM, you're back...

I'm not sure we're coming unstuck, we've had a tough few games and we've struggled a bit in them but we've also had quite a few games this year in which the results have been better than they would have been last year. Even on Saturday we looked good going forward, City had only conceded 2 at home all season before we went there. We were defensively weak but City have scored 35 in 8 home games now, they're pretty much unstoppable although at times we made mistakes which made it easier for them than we should have.

After last season all we could reasonably hope this year was to see improvement, to see we're heading in the right direction. The Ozil signing and the obvious improvement this year have shown that. We're not the finished product but so long as we keep heading in the right direction I'll be content.

I agree with some of what you've said but if anyone expected us to go from a side who struggled to finish 4th to champions in one season then they were deluded.
Right now I'm enjoying the football we're playing far more than last season and have more hope for the future than I've had for a long time. For now, that's enough.

We're top of the league for now yes and we've done well in the league but the signs are when we come up against top sides and sides we historically have struggled against in the last 8-9 years we still lose, as for me being back after a few good results, well to be honest it's mainly because there's little to discuss when we're winning, there's no real discussion and it is pretty dull, what makes discussions interesting is people having different viewpoints not agreeing on how well we played etc.

We've lost to City and Man U away (and they're rubbish to be honest) and have beaten Liverpool and Spurs (again who are rubbish this season) at home and drawn with Everton as well (we've also lost to Chelsea in the CC cup though that's a different competition), our record against the best sides isn't great, we've got Chelsea next and I really don't fancy us against them. The teams we've got results against have largely been sides we should beat (I know it's not that simple but it's true) and sides we did beat last season on the whole.

I didn't see the match on Saturday so can't comment how good each team were, what I can say is that City scored 6 and that's an awful lot of goals, not many sides have conceded six goals against them. In addition we're top of the league and thus should be better than the sides they've beaten and yet seem to have been well beaten in the end.

There's an improvement over last season because let's face it last season we had a nightmare start dropping points left right and centre, it's only fair to see where we are at the end of the season before judging how much better we are, though the Ozil signing was a positive step (though we should have done more in the transfer market IMO, we had enough time).

After 8 years with a trophy we should expect to challenge because it's about time, AW doesn't really have any excuses left now he needs to deliver, if he didn't do enough in the summer that's down to him and his team, we should have signed the 3-4 players we needed to compete it's as simple as that. This is probably going to be our best chance to win something seeing as other sides have had changes of management and have stumbled this season, it'll be harder next season when those manager's get the teams setup more to their liking and make more signings to change the team to suit their style.

[Dein-machine]

Quit lying

At 22, Ronaldinho was making Ashley Cole do the chicken dance



and was part of a triumvirate which blasted its way to the World Cup.

If youre saying Ozil has the stats, why are you throwing a tiff about me not liking him because be doesnt have the eye-catching stats? Lets face it, it has nothing to do with stats, right now hes not imposing himself on games the way the very best players do.

Normally the very best players are at the very best clubs and are also surrounded by some of the other very best players in the world. At the moment when we feed Ozil he has nowhere to go & no one to feed unless Ramsey is making a forward run. We need to put some quality around him - Giroud, Whilshere, Santi - not good enough. I'm hoping Theo can benefit from him & vice versa but also that the German bond with Polds can work for us. Will Wumger add more quality in Jan?

[JonasTC]

Quit lying

At 22, Ronaldinho was making Ashley Cole do the chicken dance

and was part of a triumvirate which blasted its way to the World Cup.

If youre saying Ozil has the stats, why are you throwing a tiff about me not liking him because be doesnt have the eye-catching stats? Lets face it, it has nothing to do with stats, right now hes not imposing himself on games the way the very best players do.

Quit lying? I said 21 and you're argument is what he did as 22yr old? I never said he was bad at that age, but nobody really knew him until his breaktrough at the 2002 world cup