At 24... Wilshere is 21 with a really bad injury behind him, so he's probably even a year behind in his development. You know what Ronaldinho was doing at 21? Having disciplinary problems and getting into trouble with his coaches.Originally Posted by BOBN
Im done arguing with you, when all you do is ignore facts, speculate and highlight parts of the truth to fit your own arguments. Have a nice day
Come on BOBN, now you're just making stuff up to fit your own arguments. He had a good world cup and opened the eyes of many, but powering his team? :D Ronaldo and Rivaldo were the guys who took that team to the final and won it
Good day to you too
Now you're just proving my point, taking 2 quotes from 2 different comments that had nothing to do with eachother, to try and make me look bad? Thats just lame and childish.
BOBN is even adding gifs to his repertoire.
Big fan of BOBN me.
It’s normal now to see such a saturation of talent in one team but it wasn’t always normal. Club football has surpassed international football in that regard. You used to have to wait for International tournaments to see some the finest players in the world assembled in one squad but it’s now common place with modern day super clubs. Things were easier for Ozil at Madrid and he didn’t have as much pressure to be that game changer and focal point. Wenger will have to set him a goal target for next season and challenge him to take on more responsibility. If the pass isn’t there he needs to go looking for the goal. Make something special happen.
I don’t even think we need to spend crazy money to get the best out of his passing. We just have the wrong players. Giroud has stopped making intelligent runs into the box and Walcott has hardly played this season. Santi is a good player and could assist Ozil and free up space for him because he’s another ball carrier. We had the same problem when Cesc and Nasri were here and Cesc just started banging in goals. We need a mix where we can develop Ozil into a better player but also have players on the field that can utilises his passing and movement.
I wasnt attempting to imply they were related. Its just I laughed at both equally, would have been harsh for one to miss out on the laughing dino.
- Ronaldinho was critical to their world cup win, everybody in Britain knows that very well because he was personally responsible for killing England.
- Ronaldinho didnt suddenly become good at 24, he became the best player in the world at 24. We know where he was at 21 because he'd had just turned 22 at WC02. Im confident that by the the time he was 17 he had mastered the fundamental things id like Wilshere to master at 22. Im positive that if Wilshere was as good as Ronaldinho was at 21/22 he'd have been awarded a knighthood and BBC sports personality of the year.
Fine, but last year we were struggling against lots of sides, not just the big teams. At this stage last year we'd drawn with Sunderland, Stoke, Fulham, Villa and Everton, lost against Norwich. Those are games a side like Arsenal 'should' be winning and while you're not going to win all of them we were failing in far too many. We picked it up towards the end of the season but as you noted at the time we laboured through a lot of them and there were quite a few 1-0s. A for example I can think of off the top of my head is Norwich at home. Yes, we did beat them last year but man we made a meal of it, we were 1-0 down for quite a while and only rescued it towards the end - IMO we deserved to win that day but we made hard work of it, this year we battered them and haven't been sneaking games 1-0.We're top of the league for now yes and we've done well in the league but the signs are when we come up against top sides and sides we historically have struggled against in the last 8-9 years we still lose
All the discussions you mentioned about performances can be had after any result, there's no reason Arsenal have to lose to talk about how well individual players or the team played - you take an overly negative view of Arsenal so you only seem interested in those discussions after a poor result, you can win after playing poorly and those discussions can still be had.
Saturday was a bit of a freak game. Conceding 6 there is bad although they have been scoring silly numbers of goals at home. It's true to say they haven't put 6 past many teams although it's the 3rd time so far they've done so or better and didn't they put 5 past Utd? It's also true to say we scored 3 up there and no teams have done that against them at home, they'd only conceded 2 at home all season before we went there. You can put a positive or negative spin on anything, you always seem to choose the latter.
I agree we should wait till the end of the season before judging where we are, that should always be the measure of a season, but this is the first time for years I've genuinely enjoyed how we're playing and have felt confident in the team winning most games. That confidence has been knocked a bit of late and I'm worried about the Chelsea game. But the improvement so far has been fantastic and it's not just a slight improvement, we're still top of the league. Who seriously thought we'd be there at this stage? I don't think we'll stay there but after last season it's not reasonable to expect us to be champions this year. The fact it's been 8 years is not the reason we should expect to challenge, quite the reverse. The fact it's been that long, and that we haven't had a serious challenge for years, shows there's a lot of improvement to make and unless you have a billionaire funding you it's hard to make that improvement in one season. We could have done more in the summer but we're heading in the right direction.
I don't really accept that this is our chance this year. It's not like we were right on the top sides' heels last year, there was a lot of ground to make up. City have a squad that an educated chimp could get to finish near the top, Chelsea have a good squad too and now have Mourinho who has won the PL and CL both more than once, he's no mug. The only side to be affected adversely by a change is ManYoo. And Liverpool and Everton are suddenly in good form, I didn't see that coming but it's quite a competitive league this year.
There's more work to be done, we need more options up front and although I rate Giroud he's not a striker I can see winning us the title, but we're making progress and that's a good thing.
Skipping through it, Cazorla at 14:10 with David Silva/Demechelis
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3 goals at City and you can really argue it ought to have been 4 if Giroud's wasn't chalked off. Usually if you score 3 goals away from home and come away with nothing, you are dumbfounded, never mind 4.
Cheers, that clears it up. You were ignoring my argument, inventing an alternative and then knocking it down. As usual.
My argument from the outset has been, let's not write off a player coming back from a serious injury like we wrote off Ramsey. It has nothing to do with criticising (or not criticising) a player when he has a bad game. I have no problems with the latter - except the one you have created out of thin air for me.
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