FA Cup thread 2013/14

[Niall_Quinn]

And have proper tests for club ownership, look at city's last two owners. Human rights abusers, given a free pass because they have loads of cash. Same with the thieving oligarchs. Get these bastards out of the game.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

A good example is Sevilla. they've done it the "right" way, and they've had some success, even got very close to winning a title. Look at them now, just another mid table team battling for scraps. Because every season they have to sell their best players, or possibly lose a manager to a bigger and better job. They have a good academy, good scouting network. but it's hard to consistently produce good players from your academy. And in this day, no matter how good your scouting is, it ain't easy getting diamonds in the rough, like they used to.

A huge cash injection is the only way for small clubs with big dreams, because cash is the only way you can retain quality. You can plan, hire a great manager, have a great academy. But what does mean when Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern, Liverpool, United come calling.

Is not about being able to buy, it's about being able to retain , that's what big cash gets you. Which is what small clubs can't do

Sevilla are like many other La Liga clubs that ran their club pretty poorly and racking up a huge debt in the process - it doesn't help that they had a now proven crook like Del Nido as their president for many years. Sure they could be better helped if Barcelona and Real Madrid were willing to have a more favourable TV rights model but some of the clubs you are referring don't help themselves - Valencia are another. Started building a new stadium without having the finances in place which is just absolutely boneheaded.

It's also not really accurate that Sevilla had a good scouting network or in the sense that they brought through numerous young players - of course there is the Puerta tragedy and Jesus Navas recently being sold but most of their players from that era you mentioned were bought from elsewhere (Luis Fabiano, Kanoute, Javi Navarro for instance). You could perhaps include Dani Alves given he was fairly young when they signed him.

In direct countering to what you say: what about teams like Getafe, or most pertinently Malaga? Teams that sought out the wonderful model to follow of Man City and it looked great for a while but they got the wrong owners from the Middle East, they got an owner that quickly realised how much he had to spend in order to even come slightly close to winning anything, lost interest, the club subsequently get suspended from European competition due to not being able to support themselves away from having that previous investment and have now lost a huge amount of talent they had before due to following that path.

Poor old Getafe thought they had brought in a multi-billionaire owner but they hadn't, he never existed!

Ultimately a lot of it comes back to the financial parachutes that would arrive from a better TV deal but I don't think you can just point to a club and say this is why they need to give in, sell out and let an owner flash with them money. Like anything else, there is still risk attached, even if it might take some time to show itself.

[Özim]

And have proper tests for club ownership, look at city's last two owners. Human rights abusers, given a free pass because they have loads of cash. Same with the thieving oligarchs. Get these bastards out of the game.

Football is a business, when someone sells a business they don't have to do anything like that, why would they in football? At the end of the day the clubs are privately own and thus they can be sold to whoever the owner(s) want.

If you had a business and someone offered you 3 million for it but had a great track record and was a nice guy and some businessman with a more questionnable past offered you 6 million would you sell to the guy who was nicer?

[Niall_Quinn]

Football is a business, when someone sells a business they don't have to do anything like that, why would they in football? At the end of the day the clubs are privately own and thus they can be sold to whoever the owner(s) want.

If you had a business and someone offered you 3 million for it but had a great track record and was a nice guy and some businessman with a more questionnable past offered you 6 million would you sell to the guy who was nicer?

So it's right that bankrupts can't run a business but human rights abusers and slave traffickers can? The only standard should be financial?

[Özim]

So it's right that bankrupts can't run a business but human rights abusers and slave traffickers can? The only standard should be financial?

I didn't say it's right, but that's the way it works in the real world yes.

[PGFC]

Sevilla are like many other La Liga clubs that ran their club pretty poorly and racking up a huge debt in the process - it doesn't help that they had a now proven crook like Del Nido as their president for many years. Sure they could be better helped if Barcelona and Real Madrid were willing to have a more favourable TV rights model but some of the clubs you are referring don't help themselves - Valencia are another. Started building a new stadium without having the finances in place which is just absolutely boneheaded.

It's also not really accurate that Sevilla had a good scouting network or in the sense that they brought through numerous young players - of course there is the Puerta tragedy and Jesus Navas recently being sold but most of their players from that era you mentioned were bought from elsewhere (Luis Fabiano, Kanoute, Javi Navarro for instance). You could perhaps include Dani Alves given he was fairly young when they signed him.

In direct countering to what you say: what about teams like Getafe, or most pertinently Malaga? Teams that sought out the wonderful model to follow of Man City and it looked great for a while but they got the wrong owners from the Middle East, they got an owner that quickly realised how much he had to spend in order to even come slightly close to winning anything, lost interest, the club subsequently get suspended from European competition due to not being able to support themselves away from having that previous investment and have now lost a huge amount of talent they had before due to following that path.

Poor old Getafe thought they had brought in a multi-billionaire owner but they hadn't, he never existed!

Ultimately a lot of it comes back to the financial parachutes that would arrive from a better TV deal but I don't think you can just point to a club and say this is why they need to give in, sell out and let an owner flash with them money. Like anything else, there is still risk attached, even if it might take some time to show itself.

I hope we don't get them in the next round of the FA Cup

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Well, Coventry are another example I suppose. If we have a replay it'll be in Northampton.

[McNamara That Ghost...]

FA Cup Fourth Round

Friday, 24th January
Arsenal v Coventry, 19:45
Nottm Forest v Preston, 20:00

Saturday, 25th January
Bournemouth v Liverpool, 12:45 ITV1
Birmingham v Swansea, 15:00
Bolton v Cardiff, 15:00
Huddersfield v Charlton, 15:00
Man City v Watford, 15:00
Port Vale v Brighton, 15:00
Rochdale v Sheff Wed, 15:00
Southampton v Yeovil, 15:00
Southend v Hull, 15:00
Sunderland v Kidderminster, 15:00
Wigan v Crystal Palace, 15:00
Stevenage v Everton, 17:30

Sunday, 26th January
Sheff Utd v Fulham, 13:00
Chelsea v Stoke, 15:30 ITV1

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Nottm Forest: Darlow, Jara, Halford, Collins, Lichaj, Majewski, Vaughan, Reid, Mackie, Cox, Paterson.
Subs: Harding, Moussi, Henderson, Lascelles, Derbyshire, De Vries, Abdoun.

Preston: Rudd, Wiseman, Clarke, Wright, Buchanan, Brownhill, Welsh, Kilkenny, Humphrey, Garner, Gallagher.
Subs: Stuckmann, Keane, Laird, Beavon, Holmes, King, Hume.

Referee: Mike Dean (Wirral)

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Still 0-0.