Match Reaction Arsenal vs United

[Niall_Quinn]

No, people have been questioning the satisfaction some fans seem to display when the team fails. That's entirely different. We can all say we played shite, and when we play shite most say it. But only a few twist the knife and start putting up, I told you so, banners. What's more important? The need to be correct on an Internet forum or supporting the team?

I suspect most here are frustrated we didn't press what was looking like and still is a genuine improvement. That's fair enough. But it goes beyond that for some. From the safe confines of an Internet chat room it can be very easy to manage a big club. Buy him, play him there, do this, do that. All based on little more than the shite coming out of the sensationalist media. For sure it will be harder to do the real job than the virtual job. Even so, it seems fair to conclude (minus many of the behind the scenes facts) mistakes have been made. Similar mistakes to most of the other teams in the league, bar the moneybags clubs who aren't constrained by any realities.

Look at Liverpool's transfer policy. What a joke. Look at the spuds, money spunked all over the place and they still aren't competing. Everton, Newcastle, perennial also rans even though they spend more than us. On the performance front, look how long it has taken the gypos to produce a team that can string more than a couple of passes together without blowing up in a mercenary rampage? The chavs, look how badly they have under-performed given their limitless resources. This doesn't mean we get a free pass on fucking up, but it's still sensible to weigh those fuck-ups against stuff that has actually gone right.

We're a point off the lead. Can it genuinely be so awful that some fans want half the players gone and the manager booted out the door? Some of the criticism is laughable. The very same people who slaughtered Fabregas want him back to replace Ozil, a player adjusting to a new country, a new league and a new team. We haven't even given the poor bastard a season and he's done. Pure comedy. Giroud out too, even though we haven't got a replacement and the bloke has been run into the ground. Yes it's true, we SHOULD have a replacement, bad miss by Wenger there. So slaughter the player. And these are the same people who slaughtered Ramsey but now can't wait for him to be return, and I guess if he doesn't get back to full speed within the first five minutes he'll be fucking useless too. It's all just reactionary bullshit with huge dollops of it coming straight of the media pages.

Myself, I'm taking the improvements I have seen this season as a positive sign. I also see the mistakes that need to be corrected. And I hear the board stating the seemingly endless plan is winding out and will bear fruit in the summer. They have no more excuses after that but for now I'll accept what they say and wait and see.

[fakeyank]

The same shit's been said for the last 9 years.

'We need a CDM and a top striker' , been the same since Flamini left ffs.

Can't imagine how the people who go to every game for the last 9 seasons feel. I was offered a ticket for the Manc game, and it was roughly £100 for the day out, fuck that I said to myself. Even then, it just feels like nothing will ever change at the moment. I'm not even confident of getting top 4 now.

The money is there, it isn't being spent properly and only Wenger is to blame.

Money IMO is only part of the issue. The issue is the tactics, substitutions, team talk etc.

Why are we not playing or even having Gnabry on the bench?
Why isnt Podolski getting game time... ever!?
Why is Ozil being persisted with, even though he looks tired and needs a rest?
What is wrong with our medical team?
Why was Kallstrom signed?!?!!!?!
Why was Ox, our best player in the 2 games before Utd, left on the bench?
Why is our game so slow and tedious? Why arent we urged to shoot more outside the box?

All these do not require money! There is no method to AW's madness. I just do not understand what goes on in his head all the time.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Chorus of boos at the end.

Walk into the toilets at full time and someone shouts Wenger out.

Bit extreme but understand the frustration. Will we ever beat a top team in the league?

Poor January will probably cost us. Depressed.

Have absolutely no idea what you look like, but I find it very difficult to believe someone would mistake you for Wenger.

[Niall_Quinn]

He's playing a safety and averages long game. Very frustrating to watch, sometimes doesn't make any sense when you view the moment rather than the season as a whole. His argument would be look, we are 2nd in the league. It's a pretty convincing argument when you consider he's up against rivals with unlimited resources. But it's not what we like to see because we got spoiled rotten watching the highly entertaining and winning teams of the past. That's where we're all looking to get back to, almost a decade of being a selling club means that's not realistic until we reverse the trend. Hopefully that happens in the summer. If not, well fuck it, it will mean this barren decade of averages will have been for nothing. I think we'll hear all the fans up in arms in that case.

[Özim]

As has been mentioned before no manager without any success would have survived as manager of a big club, I don't care how many times he came top 4. We might have improved, but the issue is we never improve enough and never shake off that inability to finish the job off, we're not just talking about the league but in any competition.

This isn't something new it's almost 9 years of this, in addition we see the manager as stubborn as ever signing midfielder after midfielder and in reality hindering out chances of ever being successful. Then you have his inaction on match days, where he sits there and does next to nothing.

Based on all this it's perfectly reasonable to be questioning the manager and whether it's the end of the line for him.

As for the change you talk about, I'm unconvinced, if not for Ozil out transfers last summer would have been disastrous, the Ozil signing came at the very last minute with fans baying for blood and despite the fact I rate him very highly, it wasn't a position we were lacking in.

January transfer window was the same thing we're use to seeing a total nonsense, I can see next summer being the same, this talk of big signings is unlikely to come to fruition, even less so with a manager who fails to recognise the fundamental weaknesses in his side.

[Niall_Quinn]

As has been mentioned before no manager without any success would have survived as manager of a big club...

Stopped reading the moment you framed the debate using a false statement. We don't have any trophies but to say there has been no success is to ignore everything that has happened over the last 10 years and also the result of that period. Whether we agree with it or not, the plan was to move to a bigger stadium and build the finances of the club to a position where we can compete at the very top of the game. It appears, fingers crossed, that has been delivered. Most in the game would point to it as a massive success. Whether stadiums and finances are what the fans care about the most is another matter. I guess if we start seeing these resources spent on the team everyone will suddenly be a big fan of the last decade.

[Munchies]

Money IMO is only part of the issue. The issue is the tactics, substitutions, team talk etc.

Why are we not playing or even having Gnabry on the bench?
Why isnt Podolski getting game time... ever!?
Why is Ozil being persisted with, even though he looks tired and needs a rest?
What is wrong with our medical team?
Why was Kallstrom signed?!?!!!?!
Why was Ox, our best player in the 2 games before Utd, left on the bench?
Why is our game so slow and tedious? Why arent we urged to shoot more outside the box?

All these do not require money! There is no method to AW's madness. I just do not understand what goes on in his head all the time.

Yeah, I know, It's all a joke really. This year is pretty much the defining factor really, no doubt the board will want to keep him even if it's another trophyless season.

Liverpool bloody battered us badly, and he just sat there . You know Maureen would've got off his backside, and made subs there and then to have a chance in the game. He waits till we're well into the 2nd half to make any changes.

Then against United, we need a goal, they're sitting back, he only makes one change, and even that was at like 70 mins.

[Özim]

Stopped reading the moment you framed the debate using a false statement. We don't have any trophies but to say there has been no success is to ignore everything that has happened over the last 10 years and also the result of that period. Whether we agree with it or not, the plan was to move to a bigger stadium and build the finances of the club to a position where we can compete at the very top of the game. It appears, fingers crossed, that has been delivered. Most in the game would point to it as a massive success. Whether stadiums and finances are what the fans care about the most is another matter. I guess if we start seeing these resources spent on the team everyone will suddenly be a big fan of the last decade.

It's not a false statement it's a fact, success is success on the pitch not off it, that's the manager's job not building a stadium or making sure the bank are happy.

For me it's simple, I want to see real intent to try and win, if you fail that's fine at least it's clear you tried and gave it your best, Wenger doesn't and will never, too many principals/ideals therefore improvement just isn't enough because it will never lead anywhere.

He had his chance to show us different this season, but as usual the train is coming off the tracks at the same time it always does, he sets himself different goals, it's about the way he wins rather than winning and if he doesn't at least he did it the way he thinks it should be done, success is the secondary goal for him.

[Globalgunner]

People who see the same thing happen year after year and call it progress, need eye checks and a brain CAT scan because certainly something is amiss. NO writes long epistles trying to convince himself that he has seen signs of improvement. But to what end, this season is already looking all like another no trophy season and we are already being told, let's see what he does in the summer, Same as the summer before, etc.

Bottom line is Wenger sees success as not requiring physical trophies. So if we can only get our heads acclimatised to this reality, I guess, we will all be happy.
We led the CL group only to almost lose it on the last day due to more Wenger slapstick. No problem, we hear,at least we qualified. Ergo we now face Bayern. The same thing happened last season.

The only reason I can surmise are that things could possibly be worse without Wenger. How can it be worse when we aren't winning anything, we for sure haven't been relegated in 100 years. People need to grow a pair basically

[Munchies]

People who see the same thing happen year after year and call it progress, need eye checks and a brain CAT scan because certainly something is amiss. NO writes long epistles trying to convince himself that he has seen signs of improvement. But to what end, this season is already looking all like another no trophy season and we are already being told, let's see what he does in the summer, Same as the summer before, etc.

Bottom line is Wenger sees success as not requiring physical trophies. So if we can only get our heads acclimatised to this reality, I guess, we will all be happy.
We led the CL group only to almost lose it on the last day due to more Wenger slapstick. No problem, we hear,at least we qualified. Ergo we now face Bayern. The same thing happened last season.

The only reason I can surmise are that things could possibly be worse without Wenger. How can it be worse when we aren't winning anything, we for sure haven't been relegated in 100 years. People need to grow a pair basically

Exactly.

We can't trust Wenger with another transfer window again, he needs to remove himself from the process of signing players.

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If only he had Higuain infront of him