Do you still want Wenger as Arsenal manager?

[Maestro]

I want him gone, a year ago tbh. The problem is him leaving now is not maybe the wisest idea, with the season upon us n' all. A new manager will not have sufficient time to make the changes. Let him stay the season and then leave at the end.

Wenger has been great for this club, but imo he has gone stale and the game has passed him by. Strictly from a football point of view, I no longer think he is capable to deliver any more trophies.

As thoroughly argued in this thread, the board must take their fare share of the blame but that in no way can excuse some of Wenger's decisions over the last few years:


1. Retaining the services of Eboue, Denilson, Manuel, Rosicky as long as he has done and back them to the hilt in the face of clear evidence to the contrary regards their contribution.

2. Persistence in playing players out of position, negating their effectiveness and in turn the team suffers. Bendtner, Theo, Arshavin, Eduardo, Eboue (flying right winger) all in attacking positions, all detrimental to our potency as an attacking force ...especially when the chips are down.

3. Knowing full well of our deficiencies in attack and defence ...going out and purchasing super quality like Squid & Chamkah, telling us they are actually football players. Those two transfers should be fully investigated.

4. Abject failure to coach the team defensive responsibility, when the ball is lost ..seems simple right, well it's not so!

5. Abject failure to consistently motivate the team, and instill a strong mentality especially when required in the big decisive moments of the season.

I could go on, but over the last few seasons he has made some bad decisions and failed in some basic requirements of his job for a coach befitting his status as a top manager, and this club's status as team expected to realistically challenge and win some silverware.

From a football point of view alone (i.e things under his control as manager), I think he's past it at the top level ...he's lost the edge required to a be champion again.

[Mr. Lahey]

That's a fair and reasonable assessment which stands a chance of being right in the real world, unlike all this "madman" and "megalomaniac" BS. So if Wenger goes how much will really change? It's inevitable the new coach would have a lot less influence over the board, and if we accept the board is partially to blame for our problems then the upshot of Wenger's removal is what? The cancer will still exist at the heart of the club. I've started to review Wenger's comments this summer from a perspective other than, "Wenger Out!", and I think he's talking to us in the only way he can given undoubted constraints. Now I might be delusional myself but I'm going with my gut instinct and in the end I'm not for the board, I'm not for Wenger, I'm for the club - Arsenal. And it's my belief we have some seriously bad'uns in the boardroom now. Toffs who have already cashed in and shouldn't even be there plus an absent owner who knows fuck all about the club and wouldn't have invested at all if his intention wasn't to get back more than he's put in. Wenger's got much to answer for too, no doubt, but I'd trust him over these Etonian fucks and the American any day.

Niall,

Being from North America and knowing a thing or two about Kronke, I can honestly say he doesnt run his professional teams in the way you are suggesting he is. Kronke has a history of building competitve teams and also has a history of sanctiong the sacking many coaches when they havent been performing. I think he is going to give Wenger a chance this season to prove himself and if he doesnt deliver he will get the axe. Ive never seen Wenger in the state he was in after the Liverpool match. That was a man whos feeling the pressure I say. He looked looked rattled and flustered. I think we will see his (Kronke) true intentions shortly. However I do think he is a prick for not piping up about his vision for the club.

[Niall_Quinn]

Niall,

Being from North America and knowing a thing or two about Kronke, I can honestly say he doesnt run his professional teams in the way you are suggesting he is. Kronke has a history of building competitve teams and also has a history of sanctiong the sacking many coaches when they havent been performing. I think he is going to give Wenger a chance this season to prove himself and if he doesnt deliver he will get the axe. Ive never seen Wenger in the state he was in after the Liverpool match. That was a man whos feeling the pressure I say. He looked looked rattled and flustered. I think we will see his (Kronke) true intentions shortly. However I do think he is a prick for not piping up about his vision for the club.

All that's possible ML, but where is this guy? He's just bought one of the premier clubs in England, a club which is swirling around the bowl and heading down, but Stan is nowhere. He's put no money in, made no mention of his plans, his ambitions, WTF? You have to assume the worst when an owner shows such absolute disregard for his purchase, you have to assume his intentions lie beyond the football and the team and the fans. I hate the guy already and I don't know anything about him. That might sound dumb but I have a feeling a lot of fans are going to end up feeling the same way. Perhaps he's done well over in the States but he's comprehensively failed to get a handle on what it takes to run a club over here. Has there been any news your side about how he raised the money to buy out the old farts? If the fans had a clearer idea of where the money was coming from and some guarantees there would be investment beyond the pockets of the greedy tossers who are bailing, that might be something at least.

[AKBapologist]

Not sure he wanted to control Arsenal, more like a favor for a dying friend. Clearly doesn't seem that interested enough to be around and involved and with all those other clubs he owns one would think his attention would be diluted.

Say what you want about abramovic, but never have fans thought he was disinterested in the club for long.

[Mr. Lahey]

All that's possible ML, but where is this guy? He's just bought one of the premier clubs in England, a club which is swirling around the bowl and heading down, but Stan is nowhere. He's put no money in, made no mention of his plans, his ambitions, WTF? You have to assume the worst when an owner shows such absolute disregard for his purchase, you have to assume his intentions lie beyond the football and the team and the fans. I hate the guy already and I don't know anything about him. That might sound dumb but I have a feeling a lot of fans are going to end up feeling the same way. Perhaps he's done well over in the States but he's comprehensively failed to get a handle on what it takes to run a club over here. Has there been any news your side about how he raised the money to buy out the old farts? If the fans had a clearer idea of where the money was coming from and some guarantees there would be investment beyond the pockets of the greedy tossers who are bailing, that might be something at least.

I completely agree with your point here and this is why i dont think he has said much or done anything substantial in regards to the club yet. I think he is sitting, watching and learning how to successfully run a proper football team. I dont think he wants to come in and start changing everything in sight as that would be no good for anybody involved. I think we will see him give Wenger this year to show him that hes the right guy and that his way is the proper way (i dont think Wenger will last though and will get his marching orders as the manager at the end of the season).


As far as how Kronke got the money...well I know he is a real estate mogul and has married into the Walmart family. Coincedently he owns pretty much all the real estate surrounding most Walmart stores. He was worth 2.6 Billion last year but that is as much as i know. If JensFace was still around Im sure he would know more about him, maybe GB does. What I can tell you is that the Colorado Mammoth, Colorado Avalanche and the St Louis Rams have all won championships in their respective leagues. He also owns the Denver Nuggets who up until the last year (their best player became a free agent) were very much on the up and were making alot of moves to be one of the top teams in the NBA.


As much as he is a businessman hes obviously a sports fan and does invest alot into his team. Im hoping with whats happening at the club right now, we will hear something from him soon.

[Joker]

I expect the "No's" to pick up this week.

[Cripps_orig]

The 16

[Niall_Quinn]

The 16

The "16" are thinking beyond the media frenzy of a sacking and asking what comes next? Can a new manager be found in the next 3 days, will he still have time to build his squad? The chance to get rid of Wenger expired at the end of last season and will not realistically come around again until the end of this one - unless we plan to sink even lower which I suppose is a possibility.

[IBK]

I completely agree with your point here and this is why i dont think he has said much or done anything substantial in regards to the club yet. I think he is sitting, watching and learning how to successfully run a proper football team. I dont think he wants to come in and start changing everything in sight as that would be no good for anybody involved. I think we will see him give Wenger this year to show him that hes the right guy and that his way is the proper way (i dont think Wenger will last though and will get his marching orders as the manager at the end of the season).


As far as how Kronke got the money...well I know he is a real estate mogul and has married into the Walmart family. Coincedently he owns pretty much all the real estate surrounding most Walmart stores. He was worth 2.6 Billion last year but that is as much as i know. If JensFace was still around Im sure he would know more about him, maybe GB does. What I can tell you is that the Colorado Mammoth, Colorado Avalanche and the St Louis Rams have all won championships in their respective leagues. He also owns the Denver Nuggets who up until the last year (their best player became a free agent) were very much on the up and were making alot of moves to be one of the top teams in the NBA.


As much as he is a businessman hes obviously a sports fan and does invest alot into his team. Im hoping with whats happening at the club right now, we will hear something from him soon.

I dunno. Maybe he can see what a hole AFC has got itself into, potentially with a manager who has become too powerful at the club and is simply being cautious about approaching a very very difficult transition.

[Özim]

The "16" are thinking beyond the media frenzy of a sacking and asking what comes next? Can a new manager be found in the next 3 days, will he still have time to build his squad? The chance to get rid of Wenger expired at the end of last season and will not realistically come around again until the end of this one - unless we plan to sink even lower which I suppose is a possibility.

Our problems are totally of our own making, should have been sacked at the start of the summer to be honest, never happened and because of that we find ourselves where we are now.

I'd rather get a new manager to sort out what we have and then buy players in January than to keep this guy and go through another season of disappointment and no decent signings.