Nice to see Poldi protecting his son.
Nice to see Poldi protecting his son.
yep - I am quite miserable, I don't listen to others, always think I am right, blame everyone else but myself, far too stubborn, not getting any younger & I can't do my fucking zip up - OH No its Wengeritus.Originally Posted by JonasTC
But why be a fan, if everything is just miserable... I've never seen you say anything positive, considering we havent won anything in almost 9 years, you have been miserable for atleast 6+ years?
Are you like that in your normal life aswell or do you do a 180 and go super positive when its not about Arsenal?
Because in order to determine whether the club is heading in the right direction the most relevant comparison is to the previous season.
Do you think that any football manager in the history of football, no matter how good, has year on year built better and better sides?
That team 10 years ago was just about the best team I've ever seen, if you thought we were going to stay at that level or just get better and better then you were being extremely naive. I think most of us realised we were being spoilt and were just enjoying it while it lasted.
Not. For several reasons. One I've mentioned above, no team just gets better and better. Secondly, the move necessarily meant a period of belt tightening, I think most of us here agree Wenger was too cautious and possibly remains so, but there was always going to be a time when we were going to be less competitive and needed to think longer term. Thirdly, the move was around the time that the billionaires started coming into the game and pumping silly amounts of money into clubs. If City win their game in hand then the top two will be two clubs bankrolled by billionaires. Co-incidence? New stadium or not, it'a always going to be difficult to compete with sides who can assemble squads with a blank cheque book.We are miles off the Henry & DB team which is the team that we had when we were asked to move. If we were moving to improve our chances of competing at the top level, we should therefore expect a better team. True or not
If you want to talk about the stadium move then riddle me this: would we be better off were we still at Highbury and our income was significantly less than it is now? If you're frustrated at our failure to win trophies over the last 9 years then many of us share that frustration but I'd be interested to know how you think we could have better competed back at Highbury. The new sponsorship deals we have signed should now give us more financial muscle, the Ozil signing was hopefully the first sign of that. Was it enough? No, but it's a start and the results this year so far indicate we're heading in the right direction again. Whether we maintain that remains to be seen but I'm not going to pre-emptively moan about how bad things are based on what our position 'could' be in a month or so's time. Let's get there and then see where we are.
Not really - how you can compare 1 season when you've spent £42 mill on a world class player against the previous.
The comparison should be against what we were promised " A new stadium for us to become the best in Europe ". 10 years ago. We're not even the best in London.
This year we have tightened up at the back but are still shitting ourselves against the better clubs, even Everton. We have never been humiliated by Liverpool or by Man City, so I would actually suggest we have regressed against top opposition.
As I've posted before. The stadium is wonderful & gives us the future we need - no doubt. But go back to all the interviews you can find when Danny Fitz came up with this move backed by Wenger. Find one where they warned about "tightening our belts".
You won't, they told us the extra capacity would increase our revenue to enable us to compete for top signings WHILST paying off stadium debt. How many years did you hear the press or AST ask Wenger & the board did we have money to spend, it always came back with "Yes, but we need to find the right quality". It was only a couple of years ago when we heard that the financial constraints of the stadium were nearly over & money was in the bin.
Its bloody obvious Wenger & Fits weren't going to sell us the move out of Highbury by saying " oh, by the way after all the recent success, this new stadium will mean we'll win fuck all for 10 years & we'll have to regularly sell our best players. However like it or not that was exactly what happened. Even with £80 mill to spend last year Wenger tried to get away with spending nothing in the summer, he bought Ozil to save his job especially after the Villa result. If we have been lied to an the shareholders have amassed their profits whilst multiplying Arsenal's worth at our expense - is it not right that after 10 years we get what we were promised. If it is obvious Wenger can't deliver that in modern football, someone needs to have the balls to get rid & stop treating him like he is a mesiah. His legacy will be the stadium but his legacy has turned us from regular title contenders into regular 4th place contenders & champions league finalists into last 16 cannon fodder. Unless he changes his transfer ideals, he will be remembered as the manager who got worse as his time went on.
why are some arsenal fans acting like spoilt brats? we have been involved in fights for 4th place for the last 8 years, we suddenly sign a world class player in Mesut Ozil, are really challenging for the league title and one game away from a semi final at Wembley yet some are acting as if anything other then the treble is a sackable offence.
Because we were promised!!!
There's a middle ground. We were, indeed, promised gruel today and caviare tomorrow. Competing with the big boys and all that. But obviously it has taken time to build a new stadium, move, sort out loans, sponsorship deals and all the while try to stay in contention at the top.
BTW, let's not forget the rats who really deserted the ship, the old board. They put nothing in and took a fortune out, so fuck them as usual. For the ones who stayed, all indicators point to the summer of 2014 as the point where the plan STARTS to yield the benefits we were promised. So in some ways we are ahead of schedule with signing of Ozil.
The middle ground is this. If stuff really does begin to happen in the summer then we're in good shape. If not and the board sits on the money, then all bets are off and everything gets fucked into the air.
Until then, it's a bonus we are competing so effectively this season. I think most of us expected to scrape 4th again after a dour campaign. I'm satisfied and enjoying it at the moment, but stand ready to hurl excrement in all directions if anyone tries to run off with the cash like the last lot.
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From Arsenal fans.
But you think it's valid to compare with 10 years ago when it was a completely different set of players and the footballing landscape was so different as to be recognisable? Obviously the board will have spun the benefits of the new stadium and maybe they were over-optimistic and didn't anticipate to quite what obscene levels the billionaires would push the market.
End of the day it was the only way we could hope to compete and but for the billionaire-fuelled clubs we'd have a very good chance of being champions this season.
Also, what NQ said
And Flamini.
He has to rise above it. Big price tag, big expectations. It would be 10x worse if he was the record signing at Real Madrid. He had a poor game and that's partly down to the circumstances but Wenger should have subbed him. But maybe getting subbed after that miss would have compounded the problem. He's not helping himself. Not sure how he can be helped from here on. It's all down to him to perform.
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