Match Reaction vs Mongs

[Ollie the Optimist]

Not really, it's about now.

We're blaming Wenger for not improving the team right now.

He hasn't improved the team over the last 8 years either.

if you are comparing this team to one 8 years ago then yes of course he hasn't improved it but he was never going to because the team 8 years ago just happened to be the finest team he has ever created, and quite simply the greatest team to have won a premier league title.

He has improved the team this year, the fact that this time last year we were about 15 points off top and this year we are only 4 and still, more by maths then reality still in the title race is huge improvement. lots of areas to work on though which is where Arsene has made his mistakes like not buying a striker. however interesting quotes going around this morning from liverpool's owner. there was a 40 million buy out clause in suarez contract but john henry refused to sell on the basis that he felt Arsenal wouldn't take them to court. shows our information was correct and why we wouldn't go over 40 million because there legally was a buy out clause, the question of should we have gone over is of course valid and yes we should have. ozil and suarez in this team and the title would be ours already.

we have improved, and there is no point looking at the team now and 8 years ago and saying we haven't improved because thats stupid. look at the last two years, races for fourth clinched on the last day, this season could end up going the same way, but it also currently is one game away from wembley. if we somehow come third and in touching distance of the winners and by that i mean 5 points or less then huge improvement has been made and if we get to the FA Cup final and somehow win the thing then it will be an outstanding season. There are huge faults with Arsene, his tactics yesterday were wrong, and I'm not liking this slow starting thing, why can't we play like we did against bayern however players have to take the blame too. Take podolski, acts like he is pissed off being subbed or not starting, yet plays like he did yesterday? some players are coasting and its not good enough but i guess ultimately the blame lies with ARsene. still time to make this season a good one, and yes there has been improvement

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

in fact the more i look at those fixtures the more it strikes me that top four is an uphill battle for us, spurs and everton have every real chance of finishing above us.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Based on today's performance how many points do you see us picking up in the next four league games away at spurs, away at chelsea, home to man city, away at everton?. One if we are lucky.

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on a completely unrelated note, this vodka tastes nice

[McNamara That Ghost...]

in fact the more i look at those fixtures the more it strikes me that top four is an uphill battle for us, spurs and everton have every real chance of finishing above us.

Nah, we aren't the only ones that have tough fixtures. Tottenham have Chelsea away next weekend for instance. Then us, Southampton and Liverpool (a).

[Munchies]

if you are comparing this team to one 8 years ago then yes of course he hasn't improved it but he was never going to because the team 8 years ago just happened to be the finest team he has ever created, and quite simply the greatest team to have won a premier league title.

The only way to judge if we've improved or not is whether we've won something at the end of the season. I don't really care if we're 4 off the top now, because at the end of it, we won't win it. Spurs away, Everton away, Chelsea away, City home, we'll struggle to even get a point or two from these 4, last time we won at SHL in the league was when Ade scored that goal.

The Fa Cup, yeah it's our strongest chance of winning something. Hopefully we can win it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

well if we get he same points in these fixtures as we did last season we will really adrift by April and nothing suggests that we will or that we have improved that much on last season.

Fulham (h), liverpool (h), Aston villa (a), Chelsea (h), Sunderland (h) picked up nine points more this season from those fixtures than we did last season

City (a), West Brom (a), Villa (h), Liverpool (a), Stoke (a) - picked uo ten points fewer than we did from these fixtures last season.

So it's a bit of a nonsense to say we are substantially better off, the fact that we challenged for the title at all was because all the easier fixtures were played in the first half of our season.

[JonasTC]

The logic is strong with this one

[McNamara That Ghost...]

well if we get he same points in these fixtures as we did last season we will really adrift by April and nothing suggests that we will or that we have improved that much on last season.

Fulham (h), liverpool (h), Aston villa (a), Chelsea (h), Sunderland (h) picked up nine points more this season from those fixtures than we did last season

City (a), West Brom (a), Villa (h), Liverpool (a), Stoke (a) - picked uo ten points fewer than we did from these fixtures last season.

So it's a bit of a nonsense to say we are substantially better off, the fact that we challenged for the title at all was because all the easier fixtures were played in the first half of our season.

I think comparisons of this type are a bit misguided. Take West Brom for instance, playing them away early in the season was a much tougher fixture then that it would be now (like we did towards the end of last season) because the grind of the season had not taken shape and the overall confidence would not be as dented.

If we win five games we'll have a point more than last season, that's nothing to shout about of course but I don't really think finishing lower than fourth is in danger. I do think we need Ramsey in his going mental development stage though.

[Marc Overmars]

Our defence is the only reason we have any title aspirations. Our attack is garbage by comparison and probably the biggest reason we've started to fade.

[Munchies]

Reading that we should've taken Liverpool to court over Suarez, he did have a £40m clause, the cunts played it out perfectly

John Henry has admitted that Suarez did have a £40m buyout clause but refused to sell him, gambling on Arsenal not taking them to court [AR]

Ffs, should've pressed harder , offered £50m and we'd have signed him.