Wenger Out ?

[Niall_Quinn]

In light of Henry's revelations, where he declares himself a deeply dishonourable man (just like the majority of players of course), it appears Wenger put in a real bid for the absolute best we could realistically buy given Messi and Ronaldo were non-starters. If Henry had honoured the contract he signed with Suarez then Suarez would be in an Arsenal shirt now. So the real question becomes, after Wenger made just about as audacious a move as possible to strengthen where we needed to strengthen, why didn't he find an inferior solution in the short time remaining after the Suarez deal fell through? He tried for Ba as backup but Maureen played that to the chav's advantage which is his job. Seems like Higuain went by the wayside in our pursuit of Suarez, doubt we could have afforded both. January we tried for Draxler but I guess we made a judgement call not to blow a big part of the summer budget on such a young player. Legitimately it could be asked why didn't we get any old player in as cover? To which I guess Wenger must view "any old player" and Sanogo as equivalent. And all the while there was the question of Giroud. No problem to replace him with a Suarez I would think. But replace him with a second tier striker? Why bother, we'd have only seen the same results.

As for Ozil, that's probably part #2 of the plan that occurred before part #1 (the striker) because an opportunity too good to let slide popped up and we still had the money that was supposed to be spent on Suarez in our pocket. Or, as some fans seem to suggest, it was a £42mill appeasement after 8 years of flatly ignoring to appease calls for a quick fix. Or not. More likely we're seeing the plan unfold out of sequence due to circumstances that didn't develop as we'd hoped.

It's not unreasonable to conclude Wenger is more than happy to spend the money if he thinks he's getting something better than we already have and in fact he's said as much in the past. Which suggests there's every chance we'll be in the market in a big way come the summer. If we aren't then that raises a whole different set of questions of the type we haven't genuinely faced before.

Also I'm not a "Wengerite", I'm an "Arsenalite". I can see something taking shape from the nondescript lull that has been the last 8 years. I think eggs are going to be in short supply come the summer and omelets will be Gooner facial fashion by May 2015.

[Özim]

The fun thing is, i've already done that and thats why i can say i dont see him as an improvement to Giroud. You should try the same before you say something like that

I can see the difference between Higuain and Giroud, Giroud is dogshite, Higuain isn't.

That's a big difference.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I cant take most of you guys serious, if we had bought Higuain and you found out that we could've bid for Suarez and got him for 40m, after he have scored 20+ goals, you would've all been "Wenger out" aswell.

Goonersweb

No I wouldn't, I would have thought well glad we bought a striker, Suarez is good but I'd rather have Higuain than no one. Higuain for me is easily in the same class bracket as Suarez and we could have signed him and he would have come to us.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

i think Higuain was perfect for us, definitely the same quality as Suarez and without the baggage

[Munchies]

The fun thing is, i've already done that and thats why i can say i dont see him as an improvement to Giroud. You should try the same before you say something like that

Oh dear, Giroud = Higuain ?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

problem for me is that if we got rid of Wenger who do we get in to replace him, only candidate for me would be Jurgen Klopp and I think he has lost a lot of his prestige. I think Wenger should be a) allowed only one year contract extensions and b) has his power at the club watered down especially over transfer negotiations

[Munchies]

In light of Henry's revelations...

He had the whole summer to sign a striker. We only moved for Suarez towards the end of the window.

[Niall_Quinn]

Higuain is not even close to being in the same class as Suarez though, is he? Suarez is top tier, among a handful of players in the world. Higuan is one step down from that level, though still a very good player. I'd agree, more accomplished than Giroud. We must have really thought we could pull the Suarez deal off. And I can see why now. The player wanted to come here, there was a clause that said he could, we offered the money, Henry broke the terms of his contract with Suarez. That last bit killed the deal. I guess we didn't take into account owners could be as dishonourable as players. Interesting if this is allowed to stand without sever penalties levied against Liverpool. The whole contract things has been vigorously defended by the authorities since Bosman. Now Liverpool say they are ignoring it. If it rides and we are ever faced with an RvC situation again we can hold out with confidence. Henry has dramatically changed the face of the British game. Also this puts Suarez in a much more understandable light, no wonder he went on strike.

[Özim]

In light of Henry's revelations, where he declares himself a deeply dishonourable man (just like the majority of players of course), it appears Wenger put in a real bid for the absolute best we could realistically buy given Messi and Ronaldo were non-starters. If Henry had honoured the contract he signed with Suarez then Suarez would be in an Arsenal shirt now. So the real question becomes, after Wenger made just about as audacious a move as possible to strengthen where we needed to strengthen, why didn't he find an inferior solution in the short time remaining after the Suarez deal fell through? He tried for Ba as backup but Maureen played that to the chav's advantage which is his job. Seems like Higuain went by the wayside in our pursuit of Suarez, doubt we could have afforded both. January we tried for Draxler but I guess we made a judgement call not to blow a big part of the summer budget on such a young player. Legitimately it could be asked why didn't we get any old player in as cover? To which I guess Wenger must view "any old player" and Sanogo as equivalent. And all the while there was the question of Giroud. No problem to replace him with a Suarez I would think. But replace him with a second tier striker? Why bother, we'd have only seen the same results.

As for Ozil, that's probably part #2 of the plan that occurred before part #1 (the striker) because an opportunity too good to let slide popped up and we still had the money that was supposed to be spent on Suarez in our pocket. Or, as some fans seem to suggest, it was a £42mill appeasement after 8 years of flatly ignoring to appease calls for a quick fix. Or not. More likely we're seeing the plan unfold out of sequence due to circumstances that didn't develop as we'd hoped.

It's not unreasonable to conclude Wenger is more than happy to spend the money if he thinks he's getting something better than we already have and in fact he's said as much in the past. Which suggests there's every chance we'll be in the market in a big way come the summer. If we aren't then that raises a whole different set of questions of the type we haven't genuinely faced before.

Also I'm not a "Wengerite", I'm an "Arsenalite". I can see something taking shape from the nondescript lull that has been the last 8 years. I think eggs are going to be in short supply come the summer and omelets will be Gooner facial fashion by May 2015.

This signing someone only if he's better stuff he's been coming out with for years and yet he's disproved his own theory with many of his signings and has ignored the opportunity to sign players clearly better than what we have as well.

IMO, Wenger won't ever win another trophy and there's plenty of evidence available to suggest why, he can't motivate, his team never turn up at crunch time, his substitutions are generally awful and always seem to happen at the same kind of time, his tactical nous is average at best, he's too stubborn and won't deviate from his masterplan of dominating the world with pass pass football, his squad is always top heavy with central midfielders and short in other areas, he overrates his players to the detriment of our chances of success, he thinks players who get injured all the time can be relied upon.

There's probably more but that's a start, I absolutely don't trust him to do the necessary in the transfer market, he never does, he's now had almost 9 years and had money last summer (which apparently was last chance saloon, just like the summer before than and before that) and still failed in the transfer market in terms of the teams need.

There's no more excuses now, no more places to hide, he's had plenty of time and it just hasn't worked out, he tried it his way and sadly for him his way has proven to be flawed and now it's time for someone else to have a go.

[Niall_Quinn]

He had the whole summer to sign a striker. We only moved for Suarez towards the end of the window.

We don't know the details for sure but it appears we had Higuain lined up, our early window activity, then a better option surfaced, our late window activity. Looks like we sacrificed Higuain to pursue Suarez. Also Higuain's price kept going up as I recall. We ended up with neither. A fuck up in some respects but certainly not an indication of a lack of ambition. Seems we were being as ambitious as it was possible to be.