Wenger Out ?

[Özim]

He had the whole summer to sign a striker. We only moved for Suarez towards the end of the window.

Yeah he did, plenty of strikers flying around last summer, we seem to sit on our arses for 3 months and then decide it's time to do something last minute. If you can't find a decent striker in 3 months you're doing something wrong.

[Özim]

We don't know the details for sure but it appears we had Higuain lined up, our early window activity, then a better option surfaced, our late window activity. Looks like we sacrificed Higuain to pursue Suarez. Also Higuain's price kept going up as I recall. We ended up with neither. A fuck up in some respects but certainly not an indication of a lack of ambition. Seems we were being as ambitious as it was possible to be.

It shouldn't take 1-2 months to sign someone, if you want them you offer the money, if it's turned down you either make a bigger bid or move on.

[Niall_Quinn]

This signing someone only if he's better stuff he's been coming out with for years and yet he's disproved his own theory with many of his signings and has ignored the opportunity to sign players clearly better than what we have as well.

IMO, Wenger won't ever win another trophy and there's plenty of evidence available to suggest why, he can't motivate, his team never turn up at crunch time, his substitutions are generally awful and always seem to happen at the same kind of time, his tactical nous is average at best, he's too stubborn and won't deviate from his masterplan of dominating the world with pass pass football, his squad is always top heavy with central midfielders and short in other areas, he overrates his players to the detriment of our chances of success, he thinks players who get injured all the time can be relied upon.

There's probably more but that's a start, I absolutely don't trust him to do the necessary in the transfer market, he never does, he's now had almost 9 years and had money last summer (which apparently was last chance saloon, just like the summer before than and before that) and still failed in the transfer market in terms of the teams need.

There's no more excuses now, no more places to hide, he's had plenty of time and it just hasn't worked out, he tried it his way and sadly for him his way has proven to be flawed and now it's time for someone else to have a go.

He's signed players ranging from Sanogo through to Ozil. I don't think anyone would seriously claim these are viewed as comparable signings. One is a young player with potential, the other an established first team player. So there have been duds for sure but not all of theme were ever designed to be first eleven. For a Santos you have a Mertesacker. For a Gervinho and Oxelade Chamberlain. I would say we've done just as well in the transfer market as any other club (including the chavs and gypos who have had more multi million disasters than can be recalled).

[Niall_Quinn]

It shouldn't take 1-2 months to sign someone, if you want them you offer the money, if it's turned down you either make a bigger bid or move on.

Why do you make a bigger bid when there is a clause in a contract specifying what you need to bid? Henry dishonoured the contract, obviously he was intent to use any means to tie Suarez to Liverpool. Plus, unlike some, we have to earn the money we spend so there are limits.

[Özim]

He's signed players ranging from Sanogo through to Ozil. I don't think anyone would seriously claim these are viewed as comparable signings. One is a young player with potential, the other an established first team player. So there have been duds for sure but not all of theme were ever designed to be first eleven. For a Santos you have a Mertesacker. For a Gervinho and Oxelade Chamberlain. I would say we've done just as well in the transfer market as any other club (including the chavs and gypos who have had more multi million disasters than can be recalled).

Perhaps he has, but his claim that he won't sign anyone unless they are better than what we have is nonsense, plenty of 1st team players signed weren't good enough or better than what we had and many we sub standard.

Ox was signed as a kid not ready for the 1st team, I think he's terrific but at the time we needed first team players and he failed to address this issue properly, IMO in the transfer market he's been found wanting, because he's signings have never been about the teams needs, they've been more about the players he likes.

[Özim]

Why do you make a bigger bid when there is a clause in a contract specifying what you need to bid? Henry dishonoured the contract, obviously he was intent to use any means to tie Suarez to Liverpool. Plus, unlike some, we have to earn the money we spend so there are limits.

Well we didn't know that for sure (if we did then we should have taken legal action), but if you're not going to then just move on and find someone else, we spend months chasing players and often end up with nothing, at the end of the day if you need a striker and one isn't realistically going to come because he's too expensive or he wants to move elsewhere you don't site around and wait.

We didn't have to sign Suarez, there were other players available which would have improved us and having failed to sign him we should have made sure we signed one, we have the resources.

[Özim]

Personally I think we should take Liverpool to court on this, not to get Suarez (we won't) but out of principle, if true then they've broken the rules and should be punished accordingly.

[Özim]

I've had enough of being in the same place every season now, if it happens once, twice maybe three times you can't put it down to bad luck, but after 8 almost 9 years of it it's not down to bad luck anymore, it's down to the person who builds the team, sets the tactics and chooses the team, I don't really understand how we can continually fail every single time it really matters.

[Niall_Quinn]

Personally I think we should take Liverpool to court on this, not to get Suarez (we won't) but out of principle, if true then they've broken the rules and should be punished accordingly.

I don't. Bottom line is if Suarez has accepted it then ultimately there's no case to answer. The only lot who can make a fuss about this now are the authorities because this sets a precedent that throws everything since Bosman into the air.

[GP]

It's not up to us to take them to court. The contract was with the player and he evidently didn't want to pursue legal action.