Wenger Out ?

[Niall_Quinn]

I've had enough of being in the same place every season now, if it happens once, twice maybe three times you can't put it down to bad luck, but after 8 almost 9 years of it it's not down to bad luck anymore, it's down to the person who builds the team, sets the tactics and chooses the team, I don't really understand how we can continually fail every single time it really matters.

The 8 years represents the time it has taken to execute a financial plan that gives us the resources to take us from the bargain bucket and into the same market as our direct rivals.

[Özim]

I don't. Bottom line is if Suarez has accepted it then ultimately there's no case to answer. The only lot who can make a fuss about this now are the authorities because this sets a precedent that throws everything since Bosman into the air.

Buy out clauses will be about as worthless as the contracts that contain them then I guess, may as well not have one.

What I find strange is that Suarez would have known about this if this is true (he signed the contract), so if he really wanted to move he would have taken action, makes me think he wasn't that bothered to come to us.

[Özim]

The 8 years represents the time it has taken to execute a financial plan that gives us the resources to take us from the bargain bucket and into the same market as our direct rivals.

It doesn't explain the collapses every single season though? What has that got to do with finances, it seems to have more to do with mentality, tactics, team selection, preparation and motivation to me.

We've had teams that were well placed, all they lacked was motivation and desire, you can't buy that.

[Niall_Quinn]

Makes me think there's a World Cup coming up.

[Özim]

Makes me think there's a World Cup coming up.

and an International friendly in midweek in preparation for this

But seriously, are you saying Suarez didn't move because he thought it might affect his world cup chances? Can't see it myself, he's guaranteed a place as he's one of their best players, doesn't seem to lack belief in his own ability either.

[Niall_Quinn]

It doesn't explain the collapses every single season though? What has that got to do with finances, it seems to have more to do with mentality, tactics, team selection, preparation and motivation to me.

We've had teams that were well placed, all they lacked was motivation and desire, you can't buy that.

No, not fully. There's a psychological weakness there for sure. And something up with the whole fitness/ medical thing. But not being able to buy three world class players for every position does explain some things in terms of direct comparison with clubs like the chavs and gypos. It's a curse having international players in the squad, but not enough top quality internationals to account for the terrible attrition rate we seem to suffer from poxy friendlies and non-event fixtures. Recall how Fergie found every way to stick two fingers up at the national teams, we should do that.

Team selection and tactics seems to be dictated by this fear of a lack of resources. I don't like that either. I'd rather have 20 players out and be playing with adventure and being beaten than see the conservative shit we see now. On the other hand, everyone screamed for a tighter defence, less goals conceded. We have that now but there has been a cost. We haven't found a middle ground and it may not be possible to find one without further investment in the team. Which brings us back to the point. Following the unwinding of this hellish 8 year stadium thing, we should now be in a position to properly invest in the team. In terms of going for the top. If we don't then of course there is a big problem.

[Niall_Quinn]

and an International friendly in midweek in preparation for this

But seriously, are you saying Suarez didn't move because he thought it might affect his world cup chances? Can't see it myself, he's guaranteed a place as he's one of their best players, doesn't seem to lack belief in his own ability either.

No, I'm saying lawyers are trained to string these things out to eternity. Suarez was left with a choice, play or rot. He was chucked into the reserves wasn't he? And training alone? In the end a big player has to play and Liverpool became his only option when the terms of the contract weren't honoured. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the whole process starts up again in the summer.

[Globalgunner]

8 years of failure have neatly coincided with our apparent lack of finances, in which time somehow we have managed to accrue a bank balance of 120m. Something in that logic seems a bit fishy to me. I wonder what the excuse will be next year when we will be fighting again for the 4th place trophy. By that time it will be 10 years without winning shit.

[fakeyank]

Yes, absolutely yes. Even we somehow fluke a FA cup win, I want him gone. He is well past his prime!

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[Niall_Quinn]

8 years of failure have neatly coincided with our apparent lack of finances, in which time somehow we have managed to accrue a bank balance of 120m. Something in that logic seems a bit fishy to me. I wonder what the excuse will be next year when we will be fighting again for the 4th place trophy. By that time it will be 10 years without winning shit.

The bank balance fluctuates up and down as certain revenues and expenses occur thorough the year. Provided the money can be accounted for there isn't a problem and a good portion of it must surely be available for investment in the squad. If we hear the shareholders intend to withdraw money, like the last bunch of absolute bastards, then the panic button needs to be hit hard. No indication of that so far.