Originally Posted by Özim
Pretty much sums it up. We took a gamble on Wenger.. surely there are enough promising managers to at least look at!
Pretty much sums it up. We took a gamble on Wenger.. surely there are enough promising managers to at least look at!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Fine, but there's no need for the hatred and venom you show towards him.
The new stadium, the amazing football we saw (admittedly a while ago now) and the financial stability which has secured our future are all down to him.
He has his flaws and it's looking increasingly unlikely we'll win trophies under him again but he's the reason our expectations are so high and the reason we have any chance of competing in the modern game.
I think I have reduced my 'hate speech' towards him considerably (And I'm wrong whenever I do cross the line). I'm frankly even tired of abusing him.. I just want him gone.
As for 'he being the reason for us having high expectations', I dont agree with that. From the time I had started following Arsenal (early nineties), I could recall always thinking that we always stood a chance at winning something. I knew that the team performed to the best of its abilities and we more than likely did our best to have a good football team. The last 7-8 years, I havent felt that unfortunately. I do not think we as a football club have done its most at being the best. And please, do not mistaken this for just transfers, we have IMO not done the best with the players, tactics, substitutions etc.. If I add transfer dealings into the mix, then it is game, set and match tbh!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
Personally I want to see how this season pans out. It is looking wearyingly predictable but there's a way to go yet, we're still in the FA Cup and good results in our horrible run (unlikely, I know) and we'll be right in the mix. This thread wouldn't even exist had we won on Saturday, had we done so we'd be a point off the top. OK, we lost, but that one result shouldn't be the difference between wanting him sacked or not.
Another collapse and another season without silverware and scraping into 4th place, having shown so much promise, and I won't be defending him.
Edit: I haven't voted in this poll btw.
I think the reason this thread exists and people want him gone is attributed to the manner in which we lost.
Had the team battled hard and fought for 90 mins but come undone and we'd lost I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.
It's the fact that the team, after having 2 days off it should be noted, came to the game with nothing about them. No fight, no desire, no strength, seemingly like they had no reason to win.
So it's sort of understandable that this question has come about.
Wenger got the team selection wrong - again. He didn't motivate his players it would seem - again. He didn't react to anything happening on the pitch and made his changes too late at 70 odd mins - again.
I hate to say it, but in the last few weeks it looks like the collapse is on - again.
Out of all comps by the end of March with a fight for 4th place - again.
We've been there, done that just once too often. It looked like things were going to be different this year, after signing Ozil and riding the top slot for months the expectation was high and fans belief was lifted only for it to seemingly look like it's all going to come crashing down - again.
Add to that the January transfer window came round and when we needed to strengthen our injured and depleted squad, we signed a crocked 31 year old who is pretty much a nobody in recent years. We just didn't do what was necessary -again.
I just don't think I or most other fans can take this Groundhog Day merry go round anymore.
There comes a point where you have to get off the ride, or you're just gonna end up being sick.
Last edited by KSE Comedy Club; 03-03-2014 at 11:43 PM.
I will openly admit to not wanting to see him fired and even wanting him to continue, but I am increasingly losing objective ground on which to argue upon, which is frustrating to say the least. Wenger needs to be careful about his actions more so than ever as he has lost an enormous amount of support.
I've said before that I can't shake the feeling that Wenger just doesn't have the appetite to operate as a manager in the perversion of a modern game we are presented with....but he is too far ingrained into the club and football to walk away from it. That said I'm sure we would all like to see him go through the front door and not the back one should we part company. It will leave a bitter taste if his departure is acrimonious and steeped in indignation.
My hope is that as we strengthen as a business and club his taste for truly competing is augmented but he is quickly running out of rope and half the fans in truth lost patience some time ago....they only kept it schtum so as to not look churlish whilst we were doing well for so long. I don't think it is necessary to dismiss all discontent as 'knee jerk', because in truth many have felt that way for a long while. Neither does the discontent not being 'knee jerk' alone, mean it is objective or valid, but there is definitely many reasons to argue this is the end of the line....even if I myself don't want it to be.
I also come back to Wenger's quote in the summer about being well placed to truly compete within the next '2-3 years'. At the time I was quite concerned to hear such a thing and it intermittently haunts me. I do think the flogging of tomorrow needs to cease or at least ostensibly managed better.
One thing I do however have deep sympathy with Wenger for is the Suarez case. He's not faultless but Henry's revelations are unbelievable and he and his club should absolutely be taken to the cleaners over it. They categorically denied there being such a clause in the summer, made it look like the bitey racist was dizzy/lying, which was a cheap and easy move to make and actually it turns out they out-rightly flipped the bird sign to the clause all together...AND THEY'VE GOT AWAY WITH IT.
Absolutely unbe-fuhkin-lievable.
Last edited by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice; 04-03-2014 at 01:12 AM.
Pretty much sums it up for me. I remember when we had moved to the Emirates, we played a game against West Spam and we battered their goal for 89 minutes but couldnt score. They scored from a fluke chance of theirs and we lost... I was pissed at the result but not at the players.. they tried, they gave a fuck but shit happens. Chelsea had 35 odd shots against Spammers but they drew 0-0. Their players tried... can we say the same about this Arsenal team or recent years Arsenal teams? Hell no.
Most games, they come only ready to play for 45 minutes. If the manager who is being paid 7 million quid a year, cannot motivate his players, then its time for him to say goodbye! I really really hope that we dont give him a new contract.. it would be insanity to see him do the same shit AGAIN!
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
What people seem not to see. is that the players themselves are demotivated. Most of them like Cazorla, Pods, Merts, Ozil, have played for other managers in winning teams, for club and country. They know what works. Unlike, Wilshire, Gibbs who have never known another manager. The pros know that this shit style of ours does NOT work against the best teams. It just doesnt. I am sure some have made a few tentative suggestions but been shot down and told, this is how we play. So in that case the seasoned ones will say. Fuck it, Ill play for the salary then. Hence the insipid performances. Wenger wont change, the results wont change. The best players will leave and we will give Wenger a new contract to start again.
We have seen this before time and time again, " I love Wenger, hes a great man, a great manager, but I had to leave to win things". They all say this but people still make up shit to prove otherwise...He had no money, He was waiting to pay off the debt (not even half paid btw). The other clubs refused to sell him the players he needed, He was unlucky with injuries, The axis of evil empires are doing their darndest to stop him winning.
All nonsense and in the main you people are suffering from battered wife syndrome. " I cant leave him, he really loves me, hes so loving when hes sober, Hes under lots of pressure, Its really my fault, If he leaves me, who else will love me, the next guy could be even worse".
Last edited by Globalgunner; 04-03-2014 at 05:25 AM.
Nonsense?
So the stadium move has in no way affected our dealings in the transfer market?
Obviously the thing about an 'axis of evil' is nonsense, there's no 'conspiracy', but if you mean the billionaire-fuelled clubs then are you seriously suggesting their distortion and inflation of the transfer market and ability to build huge squads which make them immune to injuries are not a big factor in our failure to win trophies?
It's possible that another manager would come in and do better but you're fooling yourself if you think someone else will come in and we'll sweep all before us. Whoever our manager is the billionaires will still be there and those clubs are incredibly difficult to compete with.
FA cup and 3rd would be a successful season.
Anything less and you'd have to call it a failure after the start we had.
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