Mesut Özil Thread (official!)

[Power n Glory]

Yep, I definitely think Arsene wants and believes Ozil can develop into Fabregas MKII, i.e. comfortable double figures for both assists and goals. Fabregas stats towards the end of his career with us were ridiculous, he was on like 20+ goals a season and 20+ assists.

IMHO Ozil has more upside in his game than Fabregas did to perfect the role Arsene has given him and is challenging him with. Ozil definitely has the potential to succeed in this role by both delivering high numbers for goals and assists.

Cesc was a different animal. He'd control the tempo and pace of a game like Pirlo and Xavi but could also bang in goals and assists.

I don't see Ozil developing into that Fabregas role. I see him more as a Pires. The way he floats all over the pitch and looking at his goal, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger tries him out wide. But if he doesn't he will always find space in the wide areas.

[Niall_Quinn]

You're looking for the negatives. That's one rag out of many. Arteta made that list but you failed to mention that. So is the agenda anti Ozil or Arsenal? Who gives a shit!

Why the need for that addition to the end of the headline? That's the question.

Unfortunately bog roll like the Sun and the Daily Mail set the tone due to their inexplicable circulation. The broadsheets have to maintain the pretence of respectability while they push their own bullshit distortion of the world, so it can sometimes appear there is counterbalance. But it's all bullshit and all marketing angles.

[Power n Glory]

Why the need for that addition to the end of the headline? That's the question.

Unfortunately bog roll like the Sun and the Daily Mail set the tone due to their inexplicable circulation. The broadsheets have to maintain the pretence of respectability while they push their own bullshit distortion of the world, so it can sometimes appear there is counterbalance. But it's all bullshit and all marketing angles.

It doesn't set the tone if most papers are saying Ozil had a good game. We can end this discussion.

[Niall_Quinn]

Sun and the Daily Mail

LOL - the silent edit.

[selassie]

Cesc was a different animal. He'd control the tempo and pace of a game like Pirlo and Xavi but could also bang in goals and assists.

I don't see Ozil developing into that Fabregas role. I see him more as a Pires. The way he floats all over the pitch and looking at his goal, I wouldn't be surprised if Wenger tries him out wide. But if he doesn't he will always find space in the wide areas.

Yeah true, I agree that Cesc did control the tempo of a game, that really isn't Ozil's style. I suppose the comparisons I was trying to make between the two were more in terms of the kind of numbers Arsene wants Ozil to deliver to the team and that they would be similar-ish to Cesc's contribution.

[AFC Leveller]

Cesc was like Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes etc where as Ozil is more like Zidane, Pires etc players who dont really control the tempo of the game and dont run arounf making tackles but their passing, movement and exceptional awareness makes them stand out in moments rather than throughout the 90 minutes.

[Power n Glory]

Yeah true, I agree that Cesc did control the tempo of a game, that really isn't Ozil's style. I suppose the comparisons I was trying to make between the two were more in terms of the kind of numbers Arsene wants Ozil to deliver to the team and that they would be similar-ish to Cesc's contribution.

I hear you. I think Wenger will push Ozil to his limits and he'll be a even better if he trains hard and listens. We haven't seen anything yet.

[Niall_Quinn]

Cesc was like Pirlo, Xavi, Scholes etc where as Ozil is more like Zidane, Pires etc players who dont really control the tempo of the game and dont run arounf making tackles but their passing, movement and exceptional awareness makes them stand out in moments rather than throughout the 90 minutes.

Pires yes, don't agree with that regarding Zidane though. He could completely boss a game from a 10 yard patch on the pitch. Everything went to him and he opened up everything for the rest of the team. Amazing player. Better than Messi, better than Ronaldo, even better than that chav who is the best player in the world whose name I can't remember.

[AFC Leveller]

Pires yes, don't agree with that regarding Zidane though. He could completely boss a game from a 10 yard patch on the pitch. Everything went to him and he opened up everything for the rest of the team. Amazing player. Better than Messi, better than Ronaldo, even better than that chav who is the best player in the world whose name I can't remember.

Zidane is my favourite player of all time so i agree with whatever you have to say about him!

He did run games but he wasnt like these new deep play makers who dictate the pace and set the tempo. He was more like a boss who could do whatever he wanted to.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How on earth did they get this inside the ground?