New manager

[Xhaka Can’t]

a well balanced factual and reasoned piece SF, eloquently put in a dignified fashion that befits wengers manner and achievements.

i am convinced he will leave of his own accord now at the end of the season.

who would you like to see take over if he leaves. who could cherish the values we have and still be ably competitive to make a real mark

Thanks mate - it is how I feel and I wanted to get it out of my system. I like what Klopp has done in Germany and I get the sense that he is a guy you can trust to put the work into building something and then staying around to help realise the fruits of his labour.

I'm not talking about being around for 1000 games or so - in almost all situations that is too long. People and Clubs need change in order to avoid stagnating. But I get the feeling he is a guy that is loyal and would not piss off after a couple of years success to seek a bigger payday.

If he isn't the guy - what about taking a risk on someone like Martinez? Of course, if it was Martinez himself, he would be showing little loyalty to Everton, but it could be worthwhile exploring that, because we'd be offering him an immense opportunity that Everton could not dream of matching.

I want someone young, innovative and prepared to take risks. We had that in Wenger's early years and I'd love to experience that again - hopefully right after Wenger lifts this year's FA Cup.

[Özim]

who would you like to see come in should wenger leave, out of interest? narrow it down and no scattergun

Klopp, Simeone, Hitzfeld., Heynckes, Lippi, Del Bosque, Cruyff, Ancelotti, Strachan.

There's other around too I'm sure.

[Özim]

We cant really count the city result, if it hadnt been for a retarded ref, it would more had been like 6-3 for us and everybody would have loved Wenger... The Liverpool and Chelsea are freak results, most of the goals scored were 1% chance goals and they scored more than one of those... its 2 freakin' games, get over it.

3 freak results in one season, when we only use to see these kind of results once every 10 years?

City beat us and would have won regardless of the ref, we would never have won that game, as for the 1% chance thing, what kind of excuse is that? Wehn you lose 3 games lie we have 3 times in one season and can't be a top team for love nor money it's not due to freak occurrences, it's because there's something fundamentally wrong, even the smaller clubs put up better fights than we do against these teams.

[Munchies]

It's all because Wenger doesn't address the problems in the squad. After the Liverpool game, that should've been that. Look at all the teams near the bottom, none of them got beat this badly.

In the middle, there is no one there who is strong and has power in him to win the ball and drive forward. Think of Vieira, Yaya Toure in the same mould. There is simply far too much space in the team, and once other teams with a strong midfield (like Matic/Luiz) press on our weak one, our defence, no matter how good, will get overun.

On the left side, there is nothing there. Gibbs was dreadful, where was he for the first 2 goals? He doesn't know when to attack or when to defend. In front of him, we usually have Cazorla, but he's pretty much weak on the ball, has no real pace, and isn't a winger to push teams back. Podolski played the other day, and he doesn't do much at all, he doesn't run in behind, and doesn't track back.

Up front, Giroud, far too slow and predictable to play against, which gives defenders freedom to push up high to invite further pressure on our fragile midfield.

Heck, we should've gone for Kallstrom/Flamini the other day, wouldn't have been far better as much of a shambles as Ox/Arteta was. I mean Ox/Arteta against Matic and Luiz ?

[Globalgunner]

People say its a freak result. Conveniently forgetting that we hardly ever beat these teams , except Liverpool who have climbed above us definitively this year. Even the catastrophic United, who are in dire straits. Get results against us. Even clubs like Spuds, West ham, Sunderland,have got wins against against them , but us?. best we can manage is 2 stultifying draws. We are definitely the ones for the big occasion. Big game, big collapse.

[JonasTC]

3 freak results in one season, when we only use to see these kind of results once every 10 years?

City beat us and would have won regardless of the ref, we would never have won that game, as for the 1% chance thing, what kind of excuse is that? Wehn you lose 3 games lie we have 3 times in one season and can't be a top team for love nor money it's not due to freak occurrences, it's because there's something fundamentally wrong, even the smaller clubs put up better fights than we do against these teams.

With that logic, we must be better than Barcelona, because we drawed vs Bayern in the CHL and they mauled Barcelona... Must be something fundamentally wrong with Barca then? They never lose and ended up losing 7-0 to Bayern... :s

Lets just agree to disagree, i support Wenger, you dont. EOD.

[Munchies]

With that logic, we must be better than Barcelona, because we drawed vs Bayern in the CHL and they mauled Barcelona... Must be something fundamentally wrong with Barca then? They never lose and ended up losing 7-0 to Bayern... :s

Lets just agree to disagree, i support Wenger, you dont. EOD.

I don't see how you jump to that from his post

He's spot on.

And by the way, that 7-0 was over 2 games.

[JonasTC]

I don't see how you jump to that from his post

He's spot on.

And by the way, that 7-0 was over 2 games.

That is because you choose not too read my entire post, he responded too... Seem to happend alot on here

[Munchies]

That is because you choose not too read my entire post, he responded too... Seem to happend alot on here

No I read your post, I just don't see what you're trying to get at with it.

End of discussion being, we got destroyed by all our title rivals this season. It should'nt happen. Did you see West Ham getting smashed by Chelsea?

Saw this stat too:
Arsenal: Last 5 seasons Away results vs top 4 finishers (incl. this season):
P 15
W 1
D 1
L 13
F 13
A 44

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

This is bloody ridiculous. A loss and all these threads come up, last week it was all rosy.

I was the biggest Wenger out poster on the board but this season really made me think twice. His record against top teams is shocking but we did have half our squad injured. Yes it's down to him to invest but he's a lunatic, we all know that. If he leaves we could seriously nosedive and I really don't want that. We led the league for half a fucking season, some minor adjustments next season and there's no reason why we can't win it.

I see people touting managers like Martinez but he'll need 2 seasons to adjust at a powerhouse like Arsenal, a bit like Rodgers and Liverpool. The first season we might finish 5th-7th and then if we're lucky we'll get back in the top 4. If we fall out the top 4 how easy will it be to get back in? I understand Wenger will have to leave at some point but as I mentioned in another thread, you usually find that you give up just when you were about to succeed. The only managers I'd swap Wenger for are Pep, Klopp and Ancelotti. Pep is going nowhere anytime soon and Klopp said he'll never break his contract. Ancelotti isn't leaving Madrid. So who do we get? Low? He hasn't managed a club for donkeys years, can he cope with the day to day running of a football club? Van Gaal? Can't see the board going for him tbh. He's a bigger arrogant prick and loves an argument, don't think the board would want to deal with someone like that.

The only other thing I'd say is that Wenger said he'll walk away when he feels he can't give anything more to the job. The way he looked on the touchline yesterday, sitting in his chair, constantly looking at his watch, looking lost etc, maybe yesterday was the day he realised he can't cut it anymore. That was his chance to slay Mourinho on his 1000th game and send out a statement but once again his tactics were shocking. Goes into every game with a 4-2-3-1, where's the versatility? Mourinho changes his tactics based on opposition but we trump up with exactly the same formation absolutely everywhere.

I had my house on Wenger signing a new contract but for the first time I woke up thinking he might leave. Maybe he knows he's taken the team as far as he can, especially as he isn't a big investor. If it was any other manager you'd say 'well with a few signings the gaffer can give it another shot', but we have the most stubborn, ignorant, narcissistic lunatic around. But he's our stubborn, ignorant, narcissistic lunatic, and I'm still not convinced it will be better without him.