New manager

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Really, you think so? So whats thier great plan? To have Wenger sign a new contract for the next 5 years and endure more embarrssing spankings I would rather we had a manager with steel balls and impose that to the palyers he sends out, rather than watch 11 bottlers on the pitch. Look at Dyche and Roslers achievements? Where did we sign GG from? Millwall from the old 2nd division. I think Dyche and Rosler would be worthy managers and well worth the minimal risk. So we miss out on 4th place one season, atleast we'd have 11 players with passion and desire rather than the bottle jobs we have now throughout our 1ast 11.

Football has changed a lot since then. Are you seriously telling us to take a punt on championship managers when you've seen what's happened with Man Utd and Moyes? Either thick or deluded. Or both.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Would be interested to see where anyone has said the result was acceptable. Also, just to clear this up, there is no new manager. Fans don't get to decide that unless they want to bring out the nukes and start seriously agitating for the guy to be kicked out. Hopefully something that cringe-worthy won't happen because we'll be a complete laughing stock as fans in the eyes of so many other clubs out there, Norwich, Crystal Palace, Crewe, yes even the spuds. Boo Hoo - we didn't win the title - Wenger out!

On the other hand, there are a (very) few posters here who have expressed genuine concerns about the manager which are worth listening to. If there's to be a change then the fans can participate in that by being constructive in their criticism as well as the proposals for realistic change. For example, not one of you would have suggested Wenger as manager when Rioch was on his way out. If the fans had been responsible for picking the manager back then or had even had their wishes considered (Terry Venables - remember?) then the Invincibles, Henry, Pires, the doubles, the cups, the amazing football - all gone, would never have happened. So thank fuck nobody listens to fans on these matters.

Top post.

Leave the decision making to the board. They know what's best. If reports are true then the new deal put on the table is dependent on Wenger having less say on transfers, which would be the perfect scenario.

Owen fucking Coyle. I'll never forget that.

[1_nilto the arsenal]

I'm not saying our tactics weren't bad yesterday - in fact already said it and gave detail in another thread. I'm pointing out that what Fabregas is saying doesn't match the anti-Wenger spin being trotted out by the usual suspects.

AW doesnt apply any tactics or methods , just look at our positioning and our ball retention against Liverpool game, Man City and Chelsea. He gets away with away with it with the teams outside the top 6 the top 6, but playing against the top sides of Europe and the Premiership, we'll always caught out. A friend of mine who is used to know SAF once asked Fergie; How come you always get your tactis spot on against Wenger; He said it was failry straightforward. We always press them all ove, crowd the midfield and nullify their passing game, one upfront and counter, always works. Wenger doesnt have a plan A, nevermind plan b, c. He is picking players out of position and sending on the pitch without any instructions. me or you could that for 100K per season let alone 7 mill. How many times has he lost a game to Mourinho and Fergie and now Rodgers.

[milla]

Klopp.

Klopp would be my first choice too.

[GP]

A friend of mine who is used to know SAF

Sure

[1_nilto the arsenal]

Sure

Why I would make that up, thats so random. I was with the mate in SAF's box at OT against Everton when they lost 0-1, it was SAF his brother Martin and other family friends of Fergies. Actually all the years I despiised the man, I was totally wrong. He is a great man and such a gentleman. When I get a chance I will post the pic.

[GP]

Sure.

[I am invisible]

I'm happy enough to go either way on this, to be honest - whilst I've generally always supported Wenger, and still believe he could win things if he surrounded himself with a team full of top players again, I'm also not that worried about what happens if and when he leaves. This is pretty much what everyone at the club, Wenger included, have been working towards for the last decade: rebuilding us as a self-sustaining giant of club, where each department largely takes care of itself, and where we're not reliant on one man. When Wenger first took over we needed him to do everything - coach the first team, develop young players, handle the finances, handle business negotiations, make his own money through clever transfer dealings, completely overhaul our ideas about diet, fitness, basic coaching, style of play, etc - but that's all changed now, and in no small part to Wenger himself. Things like youth development, fitness and basic coaching, finances, transfer negotiations, etc all take care of themselves (even our brand of football is ingrained at youth level now), and we shouldn't need anything more than a first team coach as his replacement, who will have no other responsibilities than picking and motivating the first team, and bringing his own tactics. That should blow the list of candidates wide open.

I'm also not overly worried about ending up with a David Moyes of our own, as I think our situation is a little different to ManUre's? Fergie left them on high, so there was nowhere else for them to go but down, and he also left an aging squad full of players who have won the lot, and were always going to be tough for someone new, with less reputation, to motivate (especially those running their contracts down,and looking for one last pay-day). The club also look like they're being restricted by the debt that the Glazers have saddled them with. We, on the other hand, have the core of a young side, who have been starved of success up until now, and will likely be open to anything that brings it, we've secured most of our squad with new contracts, we have more money in the bank than any club in Europe, more money rolling in from new deals, and are moving away from our period of financial restraint. There's a lot going for us as a club, and I'd be leaning more towards excited than nervous, when it comes Wenger's eventual successor...

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm happy enough to go either way on this, to be honest - whilst I've generally always supported Wenger, and still believe he could win things if he surrounded himself with a team full of top players again, I'm also not that worried about what happens if and when he leaves. This is pretty much what everyone at the club, Wenger included, have been working towards for the last decade: rebuilding us as a self-sustaining giant of club, where each department largely takes care of itself, and where we're not reliant on one man. When Wenger first took over we needed him to do everything - coach the first team, develop young players, handle the finances, handle business negotiations, make his own money through clever transfer dealings, completely overhaul our ideas about diet, fitness, basic coaching, style of play, etc - but that's all changed now, and in no small part to Wenger himself. Things like youth development, fitness and basic coaching, finances, transfer negotiations, etc all take care of themselves (even our brand of football is ingrained at youth level now), and we shouldn't need anything more than a first team coach as his replacement, who will have no other responsibilities than picking and motivating the first team, and bringing his own tactics. That should blow the list of candidates wide open.

I'm also not overly worried about ending up with a David Moyes of our own, as I think our situation is a little different to ManUre's? Fergie left them on high, so there was nowhere else for them to go but down, and he also left an aging squad full of players who have won the lot, and were always going to be tough for someone new, with less reputation, to motivate (especially those running their contracts down,and looking for one last pay-day). The club also look like they're being restricted by the debt that the Glazers have saddled them with. We, on the other hand, have the core of a young side, who have been starved of success up until now, and will likely be open to anything that brings it, we've secured most of our squad with new contracts, we have more money in the bank than any club in Europe, more money rolling in from new deals, and are moving away from our period of financial restraint. There's a lot going for us as a club, and I'd be leaning more towards excited than nervous, when it comes Wenger's eventual successor...

That's the way I see it. Some negatives and lots and lots of positives. The one thing we must prevent is blowing everything up just as we get to the end of what has been a massive project.

[I am invisible]

That's the way I see it. Some negatives and lots and lots of positives. The one thing we must prevent is blowing everything up just as we get to the end of what has been a massive project.

Oh, absolutely - just because some things are obviously wrong, it doesn't necessarily follow that everything is wrong. Results like yesterday's are embarrassing, but we're getting a lot right as a club, and are generally moving in the right direction, on and off the field. I mean, if you believe that most of our problems can be solved by a few new quality additions and a new coach with some new ideas, then surely that's really encouraging? Sounds a much easier thing to sort out than a few years ago when we were saying our problems were that we had no money, couldn't keep hold of out best players, and couldn't compete?