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    The Man Utd result may have saved us in the long run. I believe we left it so late because this manager and this board were going to try to wing it with the depleted squad we have. Securing the CL berth would have been enough for this lot. I still don't think they give a fuck about the squad, chances are they are far more concerned about a backlash from the fans and empty seats. These bastards at the top have put nothing into this club, pulled everything out of it. If we can't 100% say anything about Stan right now I believe we can be confident when we say the current board members are selfish pricks who don't care about this club beyond what it can bring them personally and the prestige it lends them. Wenger, like Kroenke, is hard to read 100% too. Stubborn, mad, incompetent, senile, at war with the board, in the pocket of the board, in total control? We really don't know. Whatever way it's set up though, it's shit and should be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    This isn't Stan's fault. Wenger just doesn't like to spend and I'm pretty sure Stan knows what Wenger is like and I doubt Wenger would allow himself to be lectured by some American that owns Ice Hockey and Basketball teams.

    Now all of sudden, we're being linked with a number of players and if we've signed 3 or 4 more players by Wedneday, you can't say it's the boards fault. Wenger is doing this his way. All the players we're being linked with now, could have been done a dusted months ago if we really wanted to push deals through.
    Read this from the Huffington Post - I think it is interesting, and certainly seems to fit what is going on ATM...


    Will Stan Kroenke Finally Speak up at Arsenal?
    Posted: 29/8/11 20:32 GMT


    On Monday afternoon, rumors spread that Arsenal were set to sell second-choice left-back Armand Traore to Premier League newcomers QPR, having already sold first-choice left back Gael Clichy to the Abu Dhabi-funded Manchester City earlier in the summer.

    There has been little talk of any replacements, with Jose Enrique, available for a relatively cheap sum of £6m, signing for Liverpool, while no move for Leighton Baines has been mooted. Only an injury-prone Kieran Gibbs remains. Where's the logic?

    The official line from the club seems to be that the club was so busy in negotiating the sale of several players, including big names such as Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri, that incoming transfers were sidelined.

    This appears to be an admission of supreme incompetence. There was PR spin from manager Arsene Wenger to defend the lack of incoming transfer activity, who spoke of a 'waiting period', while rivals Manchester United spent £50m on a new goalkeeper, a defender and a winger, immediately strengthening their title-winning squad.

    This tactic has backfired spectacularly, as several experienced albeit flawed squad players have been sold, but, apart from Ivorian winger Gervinho, their replacements have consisted of talented youngsters, completely devoid of experience at the top level. These sales have taken almost three months, with some rightly questioning the capabilities of Richard Law, the chief negotiator. This until Wednesday at 11pm for Wenger to try and undo the damage done to the first team squad depth, which ultimately lead to the 8-2 mauling against Manchester United.

    Arsenal have offered to cover the cost of a future away trip for all supporters who travelled to Old Trafford, a seemingly classy gesture, but one that some disgruntled fans have seen as a cynical ploy to deflect attention from the real problems. After the 6% ticket price increase at the start of the season, some even feel that Arsenal are practically handing back part of what is already too high a price for the current product offered on the pitch. Instead, they are imploring Wenger to spend money on much-needed replacements.

    Yet, one is right to be pragmatic about arrivals, given that no sensible club would sell their best players in the final few days of the transfer window (unless offered a wildly inflated fee, which Arsenal would never do), given that there would be no time to find a replacement.

    Wenger, who has until 11pm on Wednesday to achieve the seemingly impossible, has been sadly unsuccessful in implementing his footballing and economic ideology into reality. This is has been particularly evident this summer. Though the intention to remove unreliable squad players such as Denilson, Eboue, who were on wages far above what their performance and ability should dictate, and others is correct, the desire to replace them at cost is highly misguided. For the youth project to succeed, it must be supplemented with experienced players of high quality, as many have repeatedly said, and not budget signings such as Sebastian Squillaci and Mikael Silvestre.

    In prolonging negotiations for the best value deal, Arsenal have been beaten to several targets this summer, including Spain internationals Juan Mata and Santi Cazorla. In a market where some clubs (Man City, Chelsea etc) are able to offer vastly inflated transfer fees and wages, Arsenal's adherence to their self-sustainable business model has left them behind. This is where the intentions of the new majority owner, 'Silent' Stan Kroenke, could be revealed.

    The lack of media profile that the American sports magnate is known for is fast becoming a source of frustration for some Arsenal fans. His intentions for the club are not yet fully known, though he has been described as a 'custodian', that favourite word of the Arsenal board.

    Though Kroenke has never sold a sporting franchise (He owns NBA's Denver Nuggets, hockey's Colorado Avalanche and NFL's St. Louis Rams, along with a lacrosse team and Major League Soccer's Colorado Rapids) after buying it, there is likely to be cynicism regarding his motives. The American bought half of Arsenal Broadband in 2008, the club's media rights arm, which is likely to become the most profitable aspect of the club.

    The initial results of this are evident in the profitability of the media rights of the recent pre-season tour to China and Malaysia. Although the commercial aspect of the club has been boosted by the new business team, fronted by Tom Fox (ex-NBA Asia), the income stream from this won't even remotely match Manchester United until at least 2014, when some of the current deals finish.

    According to Forbes, "Long before he bought Arsenal Kroenke had proved he understood that stadium economics could be more important than winning when it comes to making money. In 2000 he bought the Nuggets, the Avalanche and the Pepsi Center, the arena the two teams play in, from Ascent Entertainment for $404 million."

    Now, Arsenal already have a world-class stadium but it is another parallel that is more telling - "Denver's Nuggets and Avalanche have reached the finals only once between them (in 2001 when the Avalanche won the Stanley Cup - some ten years now) while Kroenke has owned them." Arsenal have already gone six years without a trophy. If Kroenke sees making money via commercial income instead of winning trophies as the priority, then it is possible he is likely to indulge in Wenger's experiment.

    Yet, stadium income will be impacted by lower attendances if the results on the pitch are still on the wane, as will the size of the commercial deals that the club will want to make. Champions League qualification for 2012/13 is a must, if not for sporting reasons than at least for Kroenke's fiscal ambitions. Surely failure wouldn't be tolerated here - even by Wenger. And maybe, just maybe, Silent Stan might finally speak up then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    The Man Utd result may have saved us in the long run. I believe we left it so late because this manager and this board were going to try to wing it with the depleted squad we have. Securing the CL berth would have been enough for this lot. I still don't think they give a fuck about the squad, chances are they are far more concerned about a backlash from the fans and empty seats. These bastards at the top have put nothing into this club, pulled everything out of it. If we can't 100% say anything about Stan right now I believe we can be confident when we say the current board members are selfish pricks who don't care about this club beyond what it can bring them personally and the prestige it lends them. Wenger, like Kroenke, is hard to read 100% too. Stubborn, mad, incompetent, senile, at war with the board, in the pocket of the board, in total control? We really don't know. Whatever way it's set up though, it's shit and should be changed.
    Exactly (the highlighted part).
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    I think that Huffington post is even more interesting because from what I can see much of it has been lifted from GW, almost word for word. I'm not kidding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Berg Kamping View Post
    Read this from the Huffington Post - I think it is interesting, and certainly seems to fit what is going on ATM...
    That just shows he’s picked Arsenal for a reason. None of this would be possible without Wenger. The board may allow him to indulge in this misguided experiment, but that doesn’t mean they are refusing him funds. They are the money men and Wenger is the football coach with the vision. Without him, they wouldn’t be able to come up with this long term strategy. I won’t blame the suites on this one. As a manager and the football man, I expect Wenger to tell them what he needs to succeed.

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    In all reality Wenger will not leave till his deal runs out, essentially what we need is an American Football style Coaching scheme, bring in someone else to handle the defense, and attack, and just have Wenger as the overseer. Won't happen, but needs to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That just shows he’s picked Arsenal for a reason. None of this would be possible without Wenger. The board may allow him to indulge in this misguided experiment, but that doesn’t mean they are refusing him funds. They are the money men and Wenger is the football coach with the vision. Without him, they wouldn’t be able to come up with this long term strategy. I won’t blame the suites on this one. As a manager and the football man, I expect Wenger to tell them what he needs to succeed.
    Couldn't agree more - and on reflection I agree that there is no evidence that they are refusing AW funds. I don't even think that our current situation is Kroenke's fault. But I do believe strongly that we are suffering from a very convenient sharing of interests between owner and manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I think that Huffington post is even more interesting because from what I can see much of it has been lifted from GW, almost word for word. I'm not kidding.
    One of our esteemed mods wrote a piece for the Huffington post recently so maybe he reproduced it on here?

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    Yeah KK wrote that ^^

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    So who pushed the panic button?

    It took a 8-2 beating to finally see some transfer activity. All of a sudden the pace has kicked up and we've almost got 3 players in already. We've always known Mertsacker was available, so why has it taken us so long to bring him in? Our scouts must have known about Santos and Park, they're not high profile players and from the sounds of it, we hijacked the Park deal from Lille. All of sudden, we're able to find players and sign them while their own their way to sign for other clubs. Strange isn't it.

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