Wenger Out ?

[Dein-machine]

Now? Yes, probably, as I'm not so sure Wenger has what it takes, purely based on his stubborn football ideals.

But this "decade of mediocrity" shit has to stop. We all agree we have made mistakes, but no other club/manager has had to steer a side through the upgrade we have had, whilst maintaining a top four position.

Seriously, I get the lack of attention to detail on the football pitch sometimes, but people forget, that without Wenger, we'd be mid-table or worse by now. Seriously.



When he does eventually go, his legacy will be immense for this club.

Why would we be mid table without Wenger. This is the bit I don't understand. When Everton lost Moyes their was fearing the worst because he had made them a regular top 7 team with limited funds. A younger manager comes in & in his 1st season looks like getting them a champions league place - at OUR expense with our wonderful manager of many years. Why would a new manager, even someone like Martinez, have meant Arsenal being worse off. If he can get Everton to 4th or 5th with limited funds, where would we be if he had taken over a few years ago with a far better transfer budget. What is it that Wenger's does as a manager that some of you think is unique or unobtainable by anyone else. The answer is nothing - our style of play has become too predictable, our transfer policy too predictable, our failure against big teams too predictable, our lack of squad depth & the affect of prolonged injuries too predictable.

[Özim]

but people forget, that without Wenger, we'd be mid-table or worse by now. Seriously.

That's just pure speculation, we weren't even mid table when he arrived, we'd come 4th in the league, even before that we were winning trophies and winning titles. I don't see why we should have been mid table.

Our biggest mistake was keeping Wenger so long IMO, in doing so it makes it more difficult for any new manager as things have been run his way for so long that any change will obviously be harder than it should be.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's just pure speculation, we weren't even mid table when he arrived, we'd come 4th in the league, even before that we were winning trophies and winning titles. I don't see why we should have been mid table.

Our biggest mistake was keeping Wenger so long IMO, in doing so it makes it more difficult for any new manager as things have been run his way for so long that any change will obviously be harder than it should be.

The new manager would be playing with pennies in a league of billionaires were it not for Wenger. You excel in looking at the little picture.

[Dein-machine]

That's just pure speculation, we weren't even mid table when he arrived, we'd come 4th in the league, even before that we were winning trophies and winning titles. I don't see why we should have been mid table.

Our biggest mistake was keeping Wenger so long IMO, in doing so it makes it more difficult for any new manager as things have been run his way for so long that any change will obviously be harder than it should be.

Totally agree - therefore with at least 5 quality players to buy in the summer surely this should be done under a new manger who will want to mould a team to his way of thinking. If Wenger is only going to be around for a few years it seems pointless to give him money to spend & strengthen when he's not actually very good at it. I don't care if we call it rebuilding & it takes another year or two to have a P.L winning squad but it needs to be building for the future with a view to modern football - Wenger cannot be part of that.

[Özim]

The new manager would be playing with pennies in a league of billionaires were it not for Wenger. You excel in looking at the little picture.

I don't think so, he didn't build the stadium or put his own money in, who's to say we wouldn't have built a stadium anyway, the evidence suggest we would (or have moved to somewhere more lucrative), he seems to get the credit for everything round here and the blame for nothing.

We were a big club before he arrived, credit where credit's due he did a great job in the 1st half of his time with us, a really great job, but he got plenty of credit for that a huge salary and a job for life it seems.

I'm not looking at the little picture, I just reject the notion this club was nothing prior to Wenger and would be nothing without him, he seems to get all the credit whilst it for all the others to take the blame.

[Dein-machine]

The new manager would be playing with pennies in a league of billionaires were it not for Wenger. You excel in looking at the little picture.

Here we go again - the Billionaires excuse. Maybe we can find a manager like Rodgers or Martinez who can play with pennies & compete with these horrible billionaire people. The problem is NQ, in a few years time the EPL will be a Billionaires plaything & there is nothing we can do about it. I for one will swap my season ticket & go & watch Leatherhead ( my local non-league team ) as I agree with you that the enjoyment will not be the same but it may be a case of having to join the party.

[Özim]

Totally agree - therefore with at least 5 quality players to buy in the summer surely this should be done under a new manger who will want to mould a team to his way of thinking. If Wenger is only going to be around for a few years it seems pointless to give him money to spend & strengthen when he's not actually very good at it. I don't care if we call it rebuilding & it takes another year or two to have a P.L winning squad but it needs to be building for the future with a view to modern football - Wenger cannot be part of that.

I tend to agree, he might buy some good players but most importantly he doesn't buy the right players for the team and his tactics and the style of play he has chosen to implement just don't work if you want to be successful.

[Niall_Quinn]

I don't think so, he didn't build the stadium or put his own money in, who's to say we wouldn't have built a stadium anyway, the evidence suggest we would (or have moved to somewhere more lucrative), he seems to get the credit for everything round here and the blame for nothing.

We were a big club before he arrived, credit where credit's due he did a great job in the 1st half of his time with us, a really great job, but he got plenty of credit for that a huge salary and a job for life it seems.

I'm not looking at the little picture, I just reject the notion this club was nothing prior to Wenger and would be nothing without him, he seems to get all the credit whilst it for all the others to take the blame.

Nobody said the club was nothing before Wenger arrived. I said he stepped it up several levels. Is that genuinely debatable? I don't think so.

[Özim]

Nobody said the club was nothing before Wenger arrived. I said he stepped it up several levels. Is that genuinely debatable? I don't think so.

It's stepped up, not on the field but financially, but he's not the sole reason, the board are the ones that took the risks and implemented the stadium move.

[Letters]

We weren't even filling Highbury during the boring boring Arsenal days, why would we have needed a new stadium before Wenger took us to a new level?