Wenger Out ?

[Özim]

Wenger won some trophies, this always fills stadiums up, but you can't possibly say another manager wouldn't have done the same, we were linked with Cruyff at one point pretty sure he would have delivered, we weren't all that bad when he took over either, we came 4th under Rioch and the football was quite good (we also signed players like Bergkamp who will fill stadiums).

[Niall_Quinn]

It's stepped up, not on the field but financially, but he's not the sole reason, the board are the ones that took the risks and implemented the stadium move.

Again, nobody said he was the sole reason. He's the major reason. The revenues from CL football plus a tight control on the net transfers and of course ensuring we didn't slide into obscurity while everything was unfolding. Took a certain type to do that job, sort of a reverse Redknapp.

[Letters]

No, you're right. It's possible that another manager would have also built the best Arsenal side (one of the best PL sides) I've ever seen.
Not very likely though.

[Özim]

Again, nobody said he was the sole reason. He's the major reason. The revenues from CL football plus a tight control on the net transfers and of course ensuring we didn't slide into obscurity while everything was unfolding. Took a certain type to do that job, sort of a reverse Redknapp.

He's a reason, I'd suggest the board are the major reason however, they employed the manager, backed him and put themselves on the line by borrowing huge amounts, without them there would be no stadium, Wenger or not Wenger. You could have done it without Wenger if another manager had come in and been successful (noone can say whether they would or wouldn't have been).

[Özim]

No, you're right. It's possible that another manager would have also built the best Arsenal side (one of the best PL sides) I've ever seen.
Not very likely though.

Perhaps, depends on the manager, if we'd signed Cruyff I'd say there would have been a good chance, his teams played great football and he had a proven track record of success.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger won some trophies, this always fills stadiums up, but you can't possibly say another manager wouldn't have done the same, we were linked with Cruyff at one point pretty sure he would have delivered, we weren't all that bad when he took over either, we came 4th under Rioch and the football was quite good (we also signed players like Bergkamp who will fill stadiums).

There's what COULD have been done and what was ACTUALLY delivered. Certainly there could have been some other guy who could have done any number of great things. Wenger actually did it. In a hunt for evidence to find another manager who could have done the same I'm struggling to come up with a name. Is there any example? We've had the chavs and gypos dumping barrows of cash and sacking their manager every 15 mins. Liverpool who haven't even embarked on their stadium project yet. The spuds who are looking for handouts. Everton, no, Newcastle, no, Utd I suppose. They found a way to significantly upgrade their stadium and stay at the top. Ferguson is the example. Ferguson probably could have done what Wenger has done. Could we have got him though?

[Niall_Quinn]

He's a reason, I'd suggest the board are the major reason however, they employed the manager, backed him and put themselves on the line by borrowing huge amounts, without them there would be no stadium, Wenger or not Wenger. You could have done it without Wenger if another manager had come in and been successful (noone can say whether they would or wouldn't have been).

You mean the same board that Wenger controls?

[Özim]

There's what COULD have been done and what was ACTUALLY delivered. Certainly there could have been some other guy who could have done any number of great things. Wenger actually did it. In a hunt for evidence to find another manager who could have done the same I'm struggling to come up with a name. Is there any example? We've had the chavs and gypos dumping barrows of cash and sacking their manager every 15 mins. Liverpool who haven't even embarked on their stadium project yet. The spuds who are looking for handouts. Everton, no, Newcastle, no, Utd I suppose. They found a way to significantly upgrade their stadium and stay at the top. Ferguson is the example. Ferguson probably could have done what Wenger has done. Could we have got him though?

No other manager has been asked to do what Wenger does every season, just get 4th essentially, with the comfort of being able to do as he wishes pretty much. You can't compare other managers with him as by the time they arrived the club was already setup the way he wanted it, no other manager has had that luxury other than Ferguson and he outperformed Wenger.

[Özim]

You mean the same board that Wenger controls?

Noone said Wenger controls the board, people have said he gets an easy ride from them and they never question anything he does, he seems to be under less pressure to deliver success than his counterparts.

[Dein-machine]

There's what COULD have been done and what was ACTUALLY delivered. Certainly there could have been some other guy who could have done any number of great things. Wenger actually did it. In a hunt for evidence to find another manager who could have done the same I'm struggling to come up with a name. Is there any example? We've had the chavs and gypos dumping barrows of cash and sacking their manager every 15 mins. Liverpool who haven't even embarked on their stadium project yet. The spuds who are looking for handouts. Everton, no, Newcastle, no, Utd I suppose. They found a way to significantly upgrade their stadium and stay at the top. Ferguson is the example. Ferguson probably could have done what Wenger has done. Could we have got him though?

Agreed - Ferguson could have done what Wenger has done but also continued to win titles & cups. He wouldn't have allowed a stadium rebuild to affect Utd's ability to compete or used it as the excuse.