Like I say - it must kill him to see the players he has invested so much with fail to repay his faith. But they are products of his choosing. And feeling sorry for Wenger has this caveat.Originally Posted by Gooner23
Like I say - it must kill him to see the players he has invested so much with fail to repay his faith. But they are products of his choosing. And feeling sorry for Wenger has this caveat.
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The issue for me is that the defeats don't hurt him enough to make him want to change things, from what I've seen within a couple games he's forgotten about a heavy defeat and is out praising the team again.
The saddest thing is that he can't change things. We are suffering from the same problems that we have faced for the last decade. The disillusionment is seeing that the obvious flaws in this team are still there.
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Utter shite, and yet, predictable.
I think the scary thing is just how feeble our style of football has become. Everton and Liverpool have done us in a way that was reminiscent of our great team of 97/98. Good defensive solidity backed up with swift and speedy counter attacking movement. They can beat teams 3 or 4 nil and not bat an eyelid.
Have we regressed? Is it just end-of-season mental tiredness? One thing's for certain. We have to buck our ideas up ahead of August. Will we be able to go to Anfield, the Etihad, Stamford Bridge and Goodison without the mental scar of this season's thrashings fresh in the players' memories?
Drastic personnel changes or not, the whole footballing philosophy here has to change. The fact that managers who were knocking about in the lower divisions five years ago suddenly getting the better of Wenger so easily is unnerving.
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Well put, I was watching Liverpool and also Everton, and the spine they have to their team is pretty good.
Decent keepers.
Solid defence (Everton more than Liverpool), and amazing full backs on BOTH sides in Baines/Coleman.
Decent midfield anchors for both teams really. Gerrard, has been used further back this season, but unlike Arteta he always drives forward.
Great wing play, not surprising what having pace and being direct can do. Lukaku isn't even a winger but he shat over Monreal today.
And strikers get you the goals, which win you the games.
We had that in Vieira, Overmars, Bergy, Wright. And then over the years added Gilberto,Pires, Freddie (who made direct runs stretching defences) and Henry.
Right now, there is nothing infront of our defence. Non existant midfield who are too slow to win the ball back, weak attacking players in Cazorla, no real width on the wings and a shit slow lamp post upfront who offers no threat. No wonder how easy it is to beat us.
Last edited by Munchies; 06-04-2014 at 09:18 PM.
Really not sure where the idea the game has moved on is coming from. Do you mean moved backwards, because the quality on display from all teams in all countries is considerably lower than a decade ago and is a mockery compared to a couple of decades back. Back then we had skilful, direct and entertaining football (except when the Italians were playing). Now the game is pure shit, apart from the odd moments when a very (very, very) few genuinely talented individuals raise it. Players seem to be fitter, they seem to be able to run further (has this actually been tested?), but they are weaker mentally, they aren't sportsmen with a sporting philosophy, they cheat relentlessly and don't have a problem doing it. Managers pack midfields, park buses, very much in the Italian philosophy which to me is a destruction of the game rather than a step forward. The media applauds this horrendous regression judging the ends as suitable apology for the means, in most cases. Even Wenger has adopted this negative approach now, not that it works well for us. Mardrid, Bayern, Dortmund, Manchester Utd, PSG and particularly Barcelona produced cringeworthy garbage last week, as did we and the other so-called elite of the game the week before. Chelsea are a horrible team beyond compare. Liverpool and the gypos occasionally produce something worth watching in a football sense.
Do you mean Wenger hasn't tried to destroy football itself to the same degree wreckers like Mourinho has? If so, I agree and I'm happy about that. I'm hoping Wenger's preferred style fo football, or proper football if you like, will come back into fashion at some point. I'm a little sick of hearing wise pundits and media hacks talk about the modern game because the modern game is every bit as shit as they are. Do we actually want this modern game or would some entertainment and sportsmanship be the better way to go?
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Football players need to have their knees hacked off, metaphorically speaking. They rise too far too fast and without having to deliver a fraction of what used to be required. They should be shoved into pubs after the match to face the fans. Bring them back to planet earth. because as things stand they can get away with doing pretty much nothing for the huge rewards they get. None of them are close to being worth it. These guys are surfing a broken economy and milking it for all it is worth. Football was supposed to be the working man's game - it needs to go back to that. If we want to see the effort we demand then there has to be an incentive for these kids to perform. Right now provided they have a half decent agent they can Bendtner or Diaby their way through their entire careers while the fans get ripped off from all angles for an ever inferior product. Another reason, of course, why clubs such as the chavs and the gypos are so awful for the game.
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This.
Everything about Arsene and his rotten system screams of his ideals and how he wants "football" played irrespective of the outcome.
As you stated, Arsene's system relies on too many unknowns to click in order for it to be delivered correctly. I would even go one step further and say most of his buys are fairly similar (highly technical attacking midfielders) because they fit into his "idealistic, tika taka barca lite" system.
Everything he does regarding the football team reeks of somebody so far removed from reality and living in his own bubble, he's unable to build a balanced football team, our team/squad is just a sum of parts...a fantasy. Arsene's teams collapse under pressure for a reason, it's not like we are talking about the same set of players everytime, it's a character trait of his teams.
People say "give him time", "we have money now", "we can't hire a better manager than him"? blah blah blah....
I respect Arsene for his past achievements but he simply has to go now...thanks for leaving the club in great shape financially and for building a solid-ish squad, but let somebody with an open mind and different vision take over.
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