The Bitter Truth?

[Niall_Quinn]

Also. Has their ever been a football team in history that has asked their own fans to applaud corporate efficiency ahead of success on the pitch?

This would only be the case if the stadium move was an end goal rather than the means to an end. The additional finances are not the prize, the resources they can buy are what we're after. If those resources end up in a shirt then this has been a success. If not then it'll get nasty. Either way, I can't imagine there's a single fan out there who takes the finances as an ultimate prize over and above what happens on the pitch.

[Letters]

what does he do for a man who gets 7m a year?

What have the Romans ever done for us...

[selassie]

Agree with a lot of your post but I would point out that neither Everton or Liverpool have been in Europe this year. As well as Liverpool have done this year, they'll find it hard to repeat it next year with the added strain of a CL campaign, especially if someone makes a big enough bid for Suarez, someone is bound to try and turn his head. Everton will be in the Europa league (if not the CL!) and again that will add strain to their squad. Kinda agree that 4th is about par for us but I don't think achieving it every year like Wenger has is as easy as some people on here seem to think.

Yes but regardless of whether Liverpool challenge next season, they are challenging now and with a squad that is thin. Rodgers has achieved what Wenger has been unable to do so over the past 9 years. The sad thing is we have actually had some very good teams over the past 9 years.

I don't think 4th place finish is easy but I do think we could and should have achieved more if you factor in some of our collapses.

I also believe Wenger isn't using all of his available resources.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Its just bad tbh. This manager is actually nicking a living! what does he do for a man who gets 7m a year? if he doesnt sign the right players, doesnt prepare well for the big games, doesnt win any trophies and cant motivate his players then surely its time for him to resign.

Neither Liverpool or Everton are run as a business, we are. And as for Liverpools commercial revenue it is most likely tied into the ownership, much like Man City's sponsorship deal for the stadium.

[selassie]

Neither Liverpool or Everton are run as a business, we are. And as for Liverpools commercial revenue it is most likely tied into the ownership, much like Man City's sponsorship deal for the stadium.

Regarding them not being run as a business, what do you mean?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

My point is we are trying to do something that is not possible and be self sustaining, it's just not possible in the top echelons in football with the money in football in terms of players wages

[Letters]

Yes but regardless of whether Liverpool challenge next season, they are challenging now and with a squad that is thin. Rodgers has achieved what Wenger has been unable to do so over the past 9 years. The sad thing is we have actually had some very good teams over the past 9 years.

I don't think 4th place finish is easy but I do think we could and should have achieved more if you factor in some of our collapses.

I also believe Wenger isn't using all of his available resources.

I think that's all fair enough.

What annoys me is all the hyperbole. Wenger is useless, the club is a shambles.

We clearly have some problems but does everything really have to be so extreme?

[Letters]

My point is we are trying to do something that is not possible and be self sustaining, it's just not possible in the top echelons in football with the money in football in terms of players wages

How can you not run as a business in any sustainable way?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How can you not run as a business in any sustainable way?

Because the cost in terms of players and players wages will always greatly outweigh any money you make from match day revenues, conmercial deals etc.
You can be sustainable but not if you want to challenge

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Case in point, Mesut Ozil when you consider his transfer few plus his wages plus signing on fee and adds on, I strongly suspect the 120million we supposedly have in reserve would have been mostly used on this.