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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    The players you have mentioned, Cazorla, Podolski and Giroud offset by the sale and wages off the books for Song and Van Persie....but even then our wage bill would have skyrocketed with 130k a week for Podolski.
    Arteta, Gervinho, Santos, Mertesacker etc - Eboue, Clichy, Nasri, Fabregas
    That's not right because our wage bill decreased in 2013. There is no way it works like that because that would mean we’ve had £100m to £150m to spend in some seasons.

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    No one on the site thinks we have the ability to compete with the Mancs or Chavs financially. In Europe we would same the same about Real & Barca. That's four teams in the world that can stupidly outbid us for any player we wanted. These teams cannot buy every player in the world so we cannot keep bleating on about competing with these clubs. Top players these days are sold with clauses in their contract about having to always play when fit etc, you cannot have the 20 best strikers in the world warming the bench of 4 teams. Bayern Munich are a self substaining club, good fan base, good match day revenue, good sponsorship deals. They have their pick of the decent German kids coming through but add the experience & quality when needed. They are European Champions & could be the 1st team to win the C.L back to back. Apart from Neuer & Ribery, who do they have that is talked about as true world class! - none of their players would fetch anywhere near the kind of money you would have to find to buy a Bale, Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo, Suarez, Aguero. Their forward choice is Manduzic or Muller, both better versions of Giroud but not world beaters. They simply fill the areas around these guys with good quality players that pass & move & keep the ball well. Robben & Ribery have far more impact on games than our wide players do & their CM's ( Schweinsteiger & Kroos ) are quality ball players who might the correct decisions 90% of the time. We have Wheelchair falling over or running into people, Arteta playing suicide balls sideways, Rosicky & Cazorla giving the ball away 50% of the time. Our full backs are average players, no more than that - they have Aliba & Lahm.
    We may not be able to buy the likes of Suarez, Messi or Ronaldo but there is no excuse for us to not have quality. We need players with good feet who read the game well & not only make the right decision most of the time but have the ability to execute that decision. Players like Kroos & Reus are what we need, not Kalou. We may have to compete with the likes of Man U or Liverpool for some of these players but that's life - isn't this the reason why we moved to the Emirates.
    Lets stop bleating on about the unfairness of it all & buy quality - No free transfers, no basement buys - just quality.

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    As a club we've become obsessed with finances, rarely do you hear the other big clubs talking about it so much, it's been the perfect excuse for the club to hde behind for years now and it looks like it's going to remain the case which suits them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I realise about doing it in instalments but the money still has to be there, we made technically have the 120 million but I would be surprised if 100million hasn't been earmarked for paying the club we bought him from, paying his wages etc.

    That's why Wenger is adverse to spending big money, because unless you sell them off at a bigger fee than what you bought them for your making a huge financial loss.

    One that a club run as a business cannot afford to make
    You are making this sound way more complicated than it needs to be.

    Why do you think we moved to the Emirates in the first place? It certainly wasn't to not compete....

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    You are making this sound way more complicated than it needs to be.

    Why do you think we moved to the Emirates in the first place? It certainly wasn't to not compete....
    - lets just go back to Highbury, it was so much better then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I realise about doing it in instalments but the money still has to be there, we made technically have the 120 million but I would be surprised if 100million hasn't been earmarked for paying the club we bought him from, paying his wages etc.

    That's why Wenger is adverse to spending big money, because unless you sell them off at a bigger fee than what you bought them for your making a huge financial loss.

    One that a club run as a business cannot afford to make
    The revenues come in each season to offset the costs. Gate receipts, sponsorship, TV revenues, prize money, cash spinning tours, merchandising domestic and foreign, property, interest accrued and other intangibles that can lead to increased revenue. These are all increasing. The players are a special type of asset that can appreciate as well as depreciate in value, that's where I'd say Wenger casts a keen eye and it's probably at least a partial explanation for the over 30s policy. If FFP is properly enforced...

    IF...

    we could be in a very strong position in a couple of years specifically because we have gone down the route of sustainability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    You are making this sound way more complicated than it needs to be.

    Why do you think we moved to the Emirates in the first place? It certainly wasn't to not compete....
    It really is crazy talk. I have no idea how other clubs survive if we're struggling with a new stadium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dein-machine View Post
    - lets just go back to Highbury, it was so much better then
    Looks like we're going to have no choice, it was the only place where we could compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selassie View Post
    You are making this sound way more complicated than it needs to be.

    Why do you think we moved to the Emirates in the first place? It certainly wasn't to not compete....
    Why are you bringing the Emirates move into it? 20million a season isn't the reason why we are poor its players wages, we weren't sustainable at Highbury all the time Danny Fiszman dipped into his pockets so we could afford players like Overmars, Petit etc.
    Wages have been an issue for twenty years or more, even back then the sport was not sustainable as a business, but since the oligarchs came in wages have skyrocketed three times over in ten years. Henry was on 60-70k in 2004 now a comparable player is on 250k a week

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    Plus, as a follow-up, we will sell a player rather than let the contract run down. If we'd had RvP this season who knows he would have been injured. Liverpool kept Suarez, not entirely a similar situation but still a wantaway player they went to extreme lengths to keep on the pitch banging in the goals for them.

    Not specifically related, but on the other hand - had we not sold RvP then Fergie wouldn't have won the title and Moyes might not have been hired. Funny old game.
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