Yes, it does make sense but not when your looking at young unproven players with 3-4 years left on their contract and you have a key player on the verge of leaving for a free or cut down fee. It makes no sense to renew contracts less than two years into a 5 year deal. What sort of business plan is that? And you wonder why our resource are stretched? We could have kept the wage bill lower for a few years.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Look at my posting history I'm hardly pro Wenger. I think that he has blundered, I think when he had the quality of players to win things he hasn't come close. I think a new manager would benefit us and help us, but in terms of winning titles it won't matter one jot.
To be honest I naively thought till recently that a new manager would change things drastically and everything would be ok, but I've spent the last few days looking at the finances in football it's all a fairy tale. The board are selling us a dream that doesn't exist because otherwise they know we won't turn up for games.
Interesting. Common ground. Where I agree with you is that the way football has gone league places are almost guaranteed to equate to finances. Maybe this is a back handed compliment to Wenger's talent, but the frustration is that he had the ability to buck the trend but fell short.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
You've expended more than 30 posts exhorting us to agree that we can't afford to compete, lamenting how our wage bill is too high yet justifying how we must pay average players high salaries to prevent them leaving. Defending Wenger's position while insisting you are not his supporter. Also you started this campaign with the ludicrous proposition that we probably saved 120m to pay for Ozil and his wages. You post unsubstantiated figures and ignore counters with links attached to them.
You seem to be arguing essentially that we can't compete because it's impossible. So in essence we close down the club and divide ourselves amongst the supporters of the minted 3.
Basically, nothing you have said is reasonable or logical.
Please no one should bother replying him anymore because he has no point and Arguing is the only point.
Sad individual.
You make a good point. Whatever you think about Liverpool and Everton - they have shown promise and ambition that we simply haven't seen from our club or manager in recent years. That is impossible to deny.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
My frustration with our setup is that basically what Wenger is doing is essentially, bribing these young players with stupid wages to stay with him and his never ending project. This in the long run doesn't work because the really talented ones will leave anyways once they hit 26 or 27 citing lack of silverware. I can bet you in 2 years time Walcott will be talking about wanting to leave to win things. At the end of the day winning is the best way to guarantee good players staying. When you win prizes you attract sponsors with deeper pockets, not the ones who were left off from United and Chelsea, by doing so you broaden your fan base, fill the stadium, sell more merchandise.
Right now all Arsenal is doing is flogging it's existing fan base for all its worth, not growing it's brand. Competing is a mindset. Sadly it's completely lacking at this club
- I do lament the wage bill is too high, but for me that's lamenting how disgustingly obscene the wages are for footballers in this day and age that almost two thirds of what we make goes to paying wages.
- In regards to paying Ramsey, Wilshere etc...do i agree with paying them what they are paid, no i don't think they are worth the wages they are on. Can i understand why they are on those wages yes perhaps. But again i don't look at everything in such a dualistic black and white sense as people on here, not everything wenger does is either brilliant or totally shit. I'm not saying we should have awarded them with these contracts i'm saying perhaps i can understand where he's coming from, plus using Liverpool as an example as well as other clubs we are in a culture where young domestic talent is being obscenely overpaid.
- We can't have it both ways, we can't both lower the wage bill and have better players in the squad. Unfortunately the way football is now you can either keep the players you have now and overpay them, or bring in footballers that cost twice as much in terms of transfer fee are on the same wages and are half as good....the financial model in football is unsustainable.
- You have made it about defending Wenger not me, i have said the two things are seperate issues. I honestly believe he has looked for years a frustrated, entrenched figure who has given us all he's got....he genuinely believes that his way is the purist and most correct way and partly because of circumstance, partly because of hubris he has taken more responsibility upon himself than any manager at any club should and he's too prideful to loosen his grip. I'd like to see him walk away just so he can avoid further humiliation for himself and get away from abusive fans (again there is this 90% criticism of wenger which is legitimate and 10% which is vitriolic abuse which he doesn't deserve)
- My point is that you seem to think you can simply get wasteful players off the wage bill (podolski, bendtner etc) to clear the wage bill enough to bring in genuine talent, but to bring in players better than that you would have to pay massive fees and expand the wage bill beyond what it even is now, and when we are barely breaking even without selling players what your proposing isn't possible.
- The maths for this assertion is that we bring in anything between 240 and 260million a year, this includes the highest ticket prices going, tv deals and commerical revenues, yet all of this is eaten up by the wage bill. And argue as much as you like, clubs like liverpool, chelsea and city are all paying their players of the same age as wilshere, ramsey the same wage or even more than us....and yet you bemoan wenger when we do it.
- I think it's easy to dismiss me as a Wenger supporter (something you will see from my history that i've never been) because it's easier and nicer to think that we would be winning titles and trophies if only for this horribly stubborn man. I'm saying this stubborn man is doing himself no favours and should have gone years ago, but when the money is not there to spend if you want to run as a business you can make improvements to training methods, tactics etc and it might give the team more character it might give you a few extra points and stop these sickening colllapses in february/march but it won't make us win things....it will just allow us to finish empty handed with more dignity.
Plus i've gone on record as saying in 2008 when we are five points clear the collapse in february/march times has been caused by a lack of character and lack of leadership from the management.
The same story in 2011 when actually i believe we had the best team in the league but in terms of discipline and mental strength we completely folded....and then there is the issue of the 2011 league cup. I lay the blame for this completley at Wenger's door, so please don't tell me what my point of view is i resent it.
I've never been mindlessly loyal to anyone...in terms of sentimentality i'd love to see Wenger win another title with us but to be honest i tend to think even if we had loads to spend he would not be up to the task because to paraphrase David Cameron he's an analogue manager in a digital age. But as things stand in terms of money, the players these days of the quality of the like of Vieira, Pires, Campbell, Henry, Bergkamp are well beyond our ability to purchase.
http://m.skysports.com/article/sports//9261474
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, Rodgers has spent almost 100m since he joined Liverpool
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