Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Letters]

There's definitely people that do.

Who?

[Özim]

So the other clubs catching up with our fitness regime, creating global scouting networks to rival Wenger's knowledge of the game, bringing in better, foreign coaches and being fuelled by billionaires while we've been going through a huge stadium move and had poor commercial deals...you don't think any of those are factors as big as Wenger apparently getting worse.

We'll have to agree to disagree about that. Football has changed massively while he's been with us and IMO part of the problem with Wenger is that he hasn't changed.

That's a factor, but IMO we have stagnated, instead of staying ahead of the competition we got complacent and just assumed we'd stay ahead, in a funny way this was the same when we won the title, instead of strengthening he's be happy enough with the squad, invariably we'd fail defend the title because of it.

The football world is an ever changing environment and you need to keep moving to stay ahead of the competition or you'll get left behind.

[Özim]

Who?

I don't want to name names because I don't want to involve people who aren't involved in this conversation, it'll only get their backs up and to be honest it's not my intention.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

the problem is that football isn't a business, when clubs are prepared to run at huge losses at the thrall of their plutocratic owners this is no kind of business model at all.
Liverpool are no exception because they have been running at huge losses as well, and if people think FPP will change anything they are kidding themselves.
However i think Arsenal and their manager will have you believe that they cannot compete against the rising tide and that you should be happy for their moral stance and paying for the pleasure of watching a mediocre side...the board keep Wenger because their objective is 4th spot and they want Wenger because to date he hasn't finished lower than 4th without spending much money on transfer fees (he has gone about it a different way by giving us a massive and long term unsustainable wage bill instead) and they are too risk adverse to be prepared to make short term losses for long term gains.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't want to name names because I don't want to involve people who aren't involved in this conversation, it'll only get their backs up and to be honest it's not my intention.

To be fair i don't think there is anyone on this board who views Wenger as deity like anymore, i think your so stultified in your hatred for the man i think you perceive anyone willing to say anything positive about him as a knee bender.

[Letters]

I don't want to name names.

OK, you can PM me your imaginary list if you like.

[Fist of Lehmann]

A few weeks back Wenger promised a full and frank investigation into why our injury record is so bad.

The question that occurred to me was:

If the investigation concludes that it is Arsene's training methods, his selection policy, his style of play, his loyalty to injury prone players, basically any of the keystones of his philosophy, is causing the problem, does he have it in him to change?

Beyond tweaking, radically, I have my doubts.

The other question that occurs is: why wasn't this full and frank investigation carried out 4 years ago?

[Letters]

the problem is that football isn't a business, when clubs are prepared to run at huge losses at the thrall of their plutocratic owners this is no kind of business model at all.
Liverpool are no exception because they have been running at huge losses as well, and if people think FPP will change anything they are kidding themselves.

But how are they going to sustain that long term?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

A few weeks back Wenger promised a full and frank investigation into why our injury record is so bad.

The question that occurred to me was:

If the investigation concludes that it is Arsene's training methods, his selection policy, his style of play, his loyalty to injury prone players, basically any of the keystones of his philosophy, is causing the problem, does he have it in him to change?

Beyond tweaking, radically, I have my doubts.

The other question that occurs is: why wasn't this full and frank investigation carried out 4 years ago?

I don't want to be fisted by Lehmann, not Jens, Tom or Darren

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But how are they going to sustain that long term?

I didn't say they were....although i believe John Henry will probably have enough clout to allow them to cover their losses, but even if they win the league they need to hold an investigation as to how much value for money they are getting in the signings they have made....so much wastage.