Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Özim]

Anyway, someone posts the post-match interview with Wenger in which he was asked about the supposed foul by Arteta. He gave a completely reasonable response about how he didn't think it was a foul (which the MoTD pundits concurred with) and said it was 70 yards from goal anyway. Zimm's response:



What's that? Wenger is biased towards his own team? OUTRAGEOUS! (There is a school of thought which says that people who call themselves Arsenal fans should be that way...) And note how Zim completely ignores the part where Wenger said he didn't think it was a foul anyway.

Zim never misses an opportunity to have a dig at Wenger. And if there isn't a real opportunity he makes one up. It goes way beyond pessimism, it's real bitter hatred. It's completely bizarre.

Yes I made that point for a good reason, as you well pointed out he is very biased and thus this gives his opinion little weight at all if he's unable to look at a situation impartially when asked about it, the point wasn't whether it was a foul or not but how objective he can be about situations (and that goes for his opinion on his team as well).

For me the point is Wenger irritates me with comments like this and if I'm honest his complete BS when we've collapsed rubs me up the wrong way, if we were losing and he was honest about it I'd have much more respect, but his patronising comments grate me and have for a long time.

So yes I'm sick of the tales, the empty promises and blind faith.

This lack of objectivity is actually a big problem for us, because he refuses to recognise the limitations of his team, the bad defeats are just unlucky and whatever happens he goes off praising his team, I don't want to hear the team praised when it collapses faster than a deck of cards on in a hurricane, I want honest views and comments about how we're not good enough.

It wasn't a dig at him so much as criticism of something he does which impacts our chances of progress.

[Letters]

Yes I made that point for a good reason

Blind, bitter hatred isn't a good reason.

Wenger is biased, of course. So are all managers. So are all (proper) fans.
Mourinho, who you fawn over, completely embarrassed himself on Saturday by sarcastically congratulating the referees for conspiring against him . Had Wenger said something that stupid you'd have had a field day. In this interview he was asked about the Arteta incident, Bruce (biased towards his own team) had said it was a foul and the resulting goal changed the game. Wenger pointed out it was miles from their goal - so they should have had time to get back and cover - and in any case he didn't think it was a foul (the MoTD pundits agreed so you can hardly say that opinion is a case of Wenger's bias.

Wenger irritates you just by breathing. It was a good performance, a good result and a perfectly reasonable comment. There was nothing negative to say so in desperation you made up something. It's pathetic.

EDIT: The irony it it's actually you who has lost all sense of objectivity. Your blind hatred of Wenger is so strong you can't tell the difference between Wenger making a perfectly reasonable comment and a stupid one (which he does sometimes, but I'd suggest no more than most managers)

[Power n Glory]

The other Mods need to have a word with you Letters. Why are you constantly stalking Zim and dragging old irrelevant crap from one thread to another? A pretty reasonable debate going on and somehow you guys are allowed to get away with calling other fans 'twats, filth, arseholes' and whatever else. Stop provoking BS.

[Letters]

The other Mods need to have a word with you Letters. Why are you constantly stalking Zim and dragging old irrelevant crap from one thread to another? A pretty reasonable debate going on and somehow you guys are allowed to get away with calling other fans 'twats, filth, arseholes' and whatever else. Stop provoking BS.

I've not stopped Zim having his say, I'm perfectly entitled to have mine.
As for the name calling, I don't think anyone has named names so there's no personal abuse.
Feel free to report posts if you think they've broken forum rules though.

[Power n Glory]

I'll keep that in mind.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'll keep that in mind.

No you won't (points MIB style memory erasing stick at you)

[Özim]

Blind, bitter hatred isn't a good reason.

Wenger is biased, of course. So are all managers. So are all (proper) fans.
Mourinho, who you fawn over, completely embarrassed himself on Saturday by sarcastically congratulating the referees for conspiring against him . Had Wenger said something that stupid you'd have had a field day. In this interview he was asked about the Arteta incident, Bruce (biased towards his own team) had said it was a foul and the resulting goal changed the game. Wenger pointed out it was miles from their goal - so they should have had time to get back and cover - and in any case he didn't think it was a foul (the MoTD pundits agreed so you can hardly say that opinion is a case of Wenger's bias.

Wenger irritates you just by breathing. It was a good performance, a good result and a perfectly reasonable comment. There was nothing negative to say so in desperation you made up something. It's pathetic.

EDIT: The irony it it's actually you who has lost all sense of objectivity. Your blind hatred of Wenger is so strong you can't tell the difference between Wenger making a perfectly reasonable comment and a stupid one (which he does sometimes, but I'd suggest no more than most managers)

It doesn't seem like you read anything I posted.

Wenger lack of objectivity is the reason we are where we are, his blind faith and inability to see anything wrong with his team year after year prevents any progress.

Oh and it's not bitterness, I'm just sick of the guy after too many years seeing the same patterns repeated time and time again, it seems some of you are so in awe of him that he can fail and fail again without it really getting to you, it's almost like he's brainwashed fans into accepting his points of view.

Wenger is the manager of the club I support, so yes I would have my say, what Mourinho does and says doesn't affect me, it amazes me how much it affects other people though, why should it it has no impact on anything at our club?

[Letters]

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What a mess.

[GP]

Should rename it Goonersmess tbh