Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Quiet you five year olds

[Letters]

Wenger lack of objectivity is the reason we are where we are

OK. That's a reasonable opinion. But was this an example of it? If it was a clear, blatant foul and Wenger's swearing black is white that he never touched him then you may have a point but it was a 50-50 decision. You see them given but you see them not too. Bruce, predictably, said it was a foul. Wenger said he didn't think it was. The MoTD pundits agreed with Wenger. It was a completely reasonable response, it didn't show a lack of objectivity. No-one else on here thought to pick him up on it because there was nothing to pick up. You, as always, couldn't help yourself. Good performance, good won, no real reason to have a go at Wenger so you manufacture one.

In terms of his overall objectivity, you have to separate what Wenger says in interviews and what he believes. All managers quite regularly spout a load of balls in the heat of the moment straight after a game, particularly a game where the result went the wrong way for them.
So yes, he does come out with some rubbish sometimes but so do all of them. And this wasn't an example.

it seems some of you are so in awe of him that he can fail and fail again without it really getting to you

You accuse me of not reading your posts, this comment indicates you aren't reading anyone else's posts. Literally no-one is posting like they're in awe of him. A lot of people still respect him, I am one of them. But I feel his time with us is coming to an end. I hope we win the FA Cup as much for him as for the club, I think he deserves one last success.

[Özim]

OK. That's a reasonable opinion. But was this an example of it? If it was a clear, blatant foul and Wenger's swearing black is white that he never touched him then you may have a point but it was a 50-50 decision. You see them given but you see them not too. Bruce, predictably, said it was a foul. Wenger said he didn't think it was. The MoTD pundits agreed with Wenger. It was a completely reasonable response, it didn't show a lack of objectivity. No-one else on here thought to pick him up on it because there was nothing to pick up. You, as always, couldn't help yourself. Good performance, good won, no real reason to have a go at Wenger so you manufacture one.

In terms of his overall objectivity, you have to separate what Wenger says in interviews and what he believes. All managers quite regularly spout a load of balls in the heat of the moment straight after a game, particularly a game where the result went the wrong way for them.
So yes, he does come out with some rubbish sometimes but so do all of them. And this wasn't an example.

It wasn't actually about the foul, it was the 70 yards comment, he was basically saying that even if it was it would have had no relation to the goal, but yet if it happens to us he says something different.

My point was that if something happens to us, bad luck plays a part etc, it's like it's never the teams fault and this is my issue, he deflects the heat off his team too much and it's not just in public, it's confirmed by his policies and the signings he does or doesn't make.

It was really about the situation on Saturday more about his general perspective when it comes to his team and events that occur in a match

You accuse me of not reading your posts, this comment indicates you aren't reading anyone else's posts. Literally no-one is posting like they're in awe of him. A lot of people still respect him, I am one of them. But I feel his time with us is coming to an end. I hope we win the FA Cup as much for him as for the club, I think he deserves one last success.

I dunno, there always seems to be some sort of excuse for Wenger, it's a case of "yes this didn't work out but, he has done this", if he's not doing the job well enough there's no need to soften a point with a counter argument in the same sentence IMO. It's pretty clear in my eyes, he's had 9 years experimenting and doing as he pleases with the team and it's not worked, he just won't recognise this or change and thus for me there's nowhere for him to go if he won't.

[Letters]

he was basically saying that even if it was it would have had no relation to the goal, but yet if it happens to us he says something different.

Like every other football manager.
In the history of football.

[Power n Glory]

OK. That's a reasonable opinion. But was this an example of it? If it was a clear, blatant foul and Wenger's swearing black is white that he never touched him then you may have a point but it was a 50-50 decision. You see them given but you see them not too. Bruce, predictably, said it was a foul. Wenger said he didn't think it was. The MoTD pundits agreed with Wenger. It was a completely reasonable response, it didn't show a lack of objectivity. No-one else on here thought to pick him up on it because there was nothing to pick up. You, as always, couldn't help yourself. Good performance, good won, no real reason to have a go at Wenger so you manufacture one.

In terms of his overall objectivity, you have to separate what Wenger says in interviews and what he believes. All managers quite regularly spout a load of balls in the heat of the moment straight after a game, particularly a game where the result went the wrong way for them.
So yes, he does come out with some rubbish sometimes but so do all of them. And this wasn't an example.



You accuse me of not reading your posts, this comment indicates you aren't reading anyone else's posts. Literally no-one is posting like they're in awe of him. A lot of people still respect him, I am one of them. But I feel his time with us is coming to an end. I hope we win the FA Cup as much for him as for the club, I think he deserves one last success.

What about this? It's the sort of thing that drives me up the wall and it's hard to just brush it off because we've done very little to sort out our injury problems so it worries me if this is his theory.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-arsene-wenger

Wenger said that the internal review had yet to yield any hard and fast conclusions but he advanced a personal theory. "Some of them [muscle injuries] are down to the medication that the players take that you don't even know about. Then you realise afterwards that they took this medication but that's not prudent."

He added that certain medication could affect the liver and then it "doesn't work as well ... the toxins don't go as quickly out of the body as they should and they [the players] get tired". Injuries are sometimes the result of lower levels of stamina; if a player is, to borrow a phrase from Wenger "in the red".

He was asked to give examples of the kind of medication he was referring to. "If you lose your hair and you've taken something to make your hair grow, it might not be good, especially for the rest of your body," he said. "Medication always pushes a part of your body and is sometimes detrimental to other parts of your body.

"At the moment, we have not come to any conclusion … every case can be very different and you need to analyse very deeply why things happen. I'm surrounded by people who want to enhance their performances because they have another problem in their life and it's not always necessarily a good thing to do."

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That article

[Letters]

What about this? It's the sort of thing that drives me up the wall and it's hard to just brush it off because we've done very little to sort out our injury problems so it worries me if this is his theory.

Well, he says it's an ongoing investigation but yeah, I don't really buy it's supplements causing the problem.
They definitely need to sort this out, it's killed us again this year. Hopefully their investigation will yield some results.
It shouldn't have taken this long to look into it, it's happened too many times now.

[Kano]

Well, he says it's an ongoing investigation but yeah, I don't really buy it's supplements causing the problem.
They definitely need to sort this out, it's killed us again this year. Hopefully their investigation will yield some results.
It shouldn't have taken this long to look into it, it's happened too many times now.

nothing changes really

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...njury-problems

[Power n Glory]

"Sometimes we rush the players a bit back. For example, against Aston Villa, we had Cesc Fabregas on the bench. I knew before the game that I will not play him but, at some stage, I decided to play him, knowing that it [another injury] could happen.

Oh dear! You are right, nothing changes.

I remember he did the same for Wilshere and he's said the same recently about Ramsey and Giroud.

[IBK]

Other way around - gross spend irrelevant, net spend all important. A negative net spend shows talent going out, negative plus shows talent coming in. In the main. And you don't really need to examine the figures because it's self evident when you see who we sold compared to who we bought. The quality has ebbed away all over the pitch - consequence of funding business operations with player transfers. Should reverse now though, first signs of that being last summer.

No - for comparative purposes, I think that net spend is irrelevant. Look at it this way - Liverpool have funded player purchases without having to sell the crown jewels. Granted, the financial model is an alternative to ours. But without financial doping they have made effective use of their resources. For me, its where both clubs are now - in light of spending (not sales) that is a valid comparison of our respective achievements.