Are the doubters wrong about Wenger?

[fakeyank]

Not quite sure how that's a response to my post but OK...
No-one is denying he's not a great manager, but parking the bus ain't tactical genius.

If parking the bus and winning was such an easy job, Allardyce would have 20 CL's titles in the bag. Parking the bus away from home, playing to your strengths and analyzing the opposition is different than parking the bus and hoping to win. By just 'parking the bus', he has outscored us this season already by 5 goals.
And if anyone recalls his time at RM, I do not recall him parking the bus. He plays his best team to the best tactic, according to the situation. He has a Plan A, B, C, D, E & F. We have motivation, spirit and determination to pass the ball sideways. I know which one I'd pick as a football fan.

[Power n Glory]

Plenty of ex United players cited Ferguson as a father figure, so even using that as the premise in your argument doesn't hold water. The DPRK is more transparent about what goes on behind the scenes than Arsenal football club so its hard to draw specific conclusions from general points. I believe that there is something wrong there but I don't feel qualified to extrapolate something from that to criticise every asset of the man.

If I was going to state what I believe is the case is that you have a manager who has for too long been given free reign to indulge his ideology. I think the only pressure he is ever put on by the board is to achieve 4th so that's why he sets so much stall by it because its the only thing he knows he has to achieve.

Does it excuse him of anything? No but can you honestly tell me that if you were paid as well as he was and the bar was set so low for you that you'd have problems sleeping at night.

I'm not arguing anything about the father figure part, just clearly pointing out the facts. Players have gone on record to say Wenger is a like a father to them. What you said in your previous post was wrong.

[Letters]

If parking the bus and winning was such an easy job, Allardyce would have 20 CL's titles in the bag.

Well, not really. Having a billionaire-fuelled squad helps.

He's obviously a good manager and and a good tactician. I do think some of the fawning over him is OTT, but that might just be my blind hatred of him talking

[GP]

Well, not really. Having a billionaire-fuelled squad helps.

He's obviously a good manager and and a good tactician. I do think some of the fawning over him is OTT, but that might just be my blind hatred of him talking

To be fair he is a massive dick splat.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Why? When he says he believes the players have given everything in a match but we lack sharpness, why is that removed when he can admit later down the line that he’s overplayed players like Ramsey and Giroud which results in fatigue and injuries? Why wouldn’t you connect the dots?

Because statements about financial doping and the transfer window have nothing to do with him overplaying Ramsey and Giroud perhaps.

What i am saying to you is he may opine about the rights and wrongs of football, but his post match statements are very dull and don't give a lot away win or lose. Just like "I didn't see it" is his refusal to engage publically about one of his player's on the pitch indiscretions without actually having to say i am not going to talk about it.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I'm not arguing anything about the father figure part, just clearly pointing out the facts. Players have gone on record to say Wenger is a like a father to them. What you said in your previous post was wrong.

My previous post actually stated that the comments from ex professionals gives nothing away about how he regards his own players. That there is nothing said that he regards the players as his own sons was what i said.
And like i said man united players said they regarded Fergie as a father figure and we know of his tendency towards verbally and sometimes physically abusing them, so it means very little.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The one thing you can't argue with Mourinho is his success. .

No-one does, but i argue that nothing he has achieved actually justifies the English media's fawning schoolgirl regard to him. There are plenty of successful managers out there, take Carlo Ancelotti who has acheived much the same throughout his career as Mourinho has but i've never heard him in press conferences refer to himself as "The Special One" and feel the need to belittle the acheivements of those around him. The reason being is that Ancelotti isn't a narcissistic sociopath, and Mourinho is.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And to be fair i'm not just saying that to be insulting to him, he meets a lot of criteria of both the narcassistic and psycopathic personality traits...self aggrandisement, glibness, superficial charm, lack of empathy

[fakeyank]

Well, not really. Having a billionaire-fuelled squad helps.

He's obviously a good manager and and a good tactician. I do think some of the fawning over him is OTT, but that might just be my blind hatred of him talking

I would buy that statement if he hadnt won trophies with Porto and Inter. I do not believe he had a 'billionaire fueled net spend' when at those teams.

[Power n Glory]

Because statements about financial doping and the transfer window have nothing to do with him overplaying Ramsey and Giroud perhaps.

What i am saying to you is he may opine about the rights and wrongs of football, but his post match statements are very dull and don't give a lot away win or lose. Just like "I didn't see it" is his refusal to engage publically about one of his player's on the pitch indiscretions without actually having to say i am not going to talk about it.

How can his views on the transfer window be unrelated to overplaying Ramsey and Giroud? For example.

Wenger on the Sanogo signing.

“We have signed Sanogo. He has not made the headlines. Why? Because he is not £50m to £100million but I am quite confident he will make them soon on the pitch, and that for me is the most important.”

Wenger comparing his signing to Anelka.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...nicolas-anelka

"When I started to play Anelka, everybody said: 'Why are you starting with Anelka, why not buy a striker?'" claims Wenger.

What do you make of these sort of statements? You can't say these sort of things have no reflection on his actions. These are the sort of statements I'm talking about. He's wrongly placed his faith in young injury prone player and as a result we have to overplay Giroud.