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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    What Jose does works and it’s effective. If Fergie is justified in using roughhouse tactics to beat us, then why single out Mourinho for using what’s effective? You can’t talk about a general accepted approach and then throw that in. The way football is played is down to preference. There are some fans out there that can appreciate a defensive masterclass just as much as a goal fest.
    because fergie didn't make an entire career from it. so far mourinho has. i don't know any fan that enjoys seeing their team play dull football week after week. the occasional match to suit the opposition is fine, that makes sense. mourinho will go a whole season playing shite football as long as he wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    What Jose does works and it’s effective. If Fergie is justified in using roughhouse tactics to beat us, then why single out Mourinho for using what’s effective? You can’t talk about a general accepted approach and then throw that in. The way football is played is down to preference. There are some fans out there that can appreciate a defensive masterclass just as much as a goal fest.
    Do they?....plus Ferguson's side used to try and rough us up a bit and that's fine but there is a difference between that and sticking 11 men behind the ball and then whinging when smaller sides come to you and do it. To be fair, I used to get annoyed with Wenger when we dropped points at home and bemoaned smaller sides playing for a draw. If in terms of resources you can't compete in terms of football, setting up for a clean sheet is understandable and acceptable. For a team like Chelsea, whilst I can understand them playing that way against Barcelona...a team like Atletico Madrid who have far less than them in terms of financial resources its pretty depressing.
    Than again I think the 0-0 wasn't so much about a Mourinho masterclass, it was exposing the limitations of players like Diego Costa....I hope Chelsea do sign him because I think he's overrated....one season wonder like Diego Tristan at Deportivo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    because fergie didn't make an entire career from it. so far mourinho has. i don't know any fan that enjoys seeing their team play dull football week after week. the occasional match to suit the opposition is fine, that makes sense. mourinho will go a whole season playing shite football as long as he wins.
    It’s preference. I know a guy that loved Serie A football back in its prime and could sit and watch the AC Milan Vs Juve CL final over again. These debates happen all the time in sports. You get some fans in boxing and UFC that want knockouts all day but you get some that love the technical side to the grappling or a defensive 12 rounder in boxing. There is an art to defending as well as attacking.

    Also, I’m not a huge La Liga watcher but I don’t recall Madrid being a boring team under Jose whenever I watched them.

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    Good football is remembered more than effective football

    Take for instance 1974 World Cup. Which side is remembered more the winners or the Dutch side of Rep, Cruyff and Neeskens and their commitment to "total football".

    Same with West Germany's other World Cup, 1954 it was all about the Hungarians and in 1990 the whole tournament was written off as a turgid bore fest with only Cameroon remembered with any fondness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It’s preference. I know a guy that loved Serie A football back in its prime and could sit and watch the AC Milan Vs Juve CL final over again. These debates happen all the time in sports. You get some fans in boxing and UFC that want knockouts all day but you get some that love the technical side to the grappling or a defensive 12 rounder in boxing. There is an art to defending as well as attacking.

    Also, I’m not a huge La Liga watcher but I don’t recall Madrid being a boring team under Jose whenever I watched them.
    He didnt have the choice to set them up the way he wanted, he often got into internal spats most notably with Jorge Valdano about how much control he had at the club. And then ridiculously claimed victimisation as a Portuguese in Spain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I'm sorry what's your basis for suggesting that Suarez has developed at all under Rodgers, his scoring rate was very similar to what it was when he was being managed by Kenny Dalglish.
    In my eyes Brendan Rodgers will have a lot of adapting to do to his back line and midfield in order to make them competitive next season when he has continental fixtures to contend with. It remains to be seen whether he is up to the task.
    No it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It’s preference. I know a guy that loved Serie A football back in its prime and could sit and watch the AC Milan Vs Juve CL final over again. These debates happen all the time in sports. You get some fans in boxing and UFC that want knockouts all day but you get some that love the technical side to the grappling or a defensive 12 rounder in boxing. There is an art to defending as well as attacking.

    Also, I’m not a huge La Liga watcher but I don’t recall Madrid being a boring team under Jose whenever I watched them.
    He wasn't the only fan of italian football then because it was the glamour league with most of the big stars playing there, so no wonder he wanted to watch it. no one is debating the art of defending over attacking. what is being discussed is playing a style of football you expect from a bottom half team in order to succeed every week, when your resources enable you to do so much more. at real madrid he had a team already full of attacking players, he had no choice but to. that was one club that he couldn't get to bow to his every whim. it's an institution far bigger than his ego, which is a rare thing to find. mourinho would garner more respect if he tried a bolder approach in how he set up his teams but he's too afraid to do that. it's the reason why someone like federer is loved by more people than pete sampras who was a machine that churned out wins relentlessly.
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    Seriously, go home.

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    Fergie is overrated.
    No. He has set the benchmark as the most successful British manager of all time, and that stands even against Paisley. You can't be overrated when you are top of the pile. You set the rating. Then those behind can be overrated or underrated by comparison. If Ferguson is overrated, then who are you comparing that rating to? There is nobody. At the tail end of his career he had to play things like every other club that doesn't have the infinite money cheat enabled. But right up until the final few seasons Utd played proper football, fast and lethal. Comparable to Wenger's brand of football in terms of entertainment. That's why we hated them, because they were the only challenge. And because everyone at Utd is a cunt, but that's a side issue in this case. Mourinho has been branded the enemy of football everywhere he's been. That's because he takes all the resources at his disposal and crafts something horrible instead of something inspiring. He's had all the tools to leave a positive mark on the game, he's shit all over it instead. He knows it too, which is why he's becoming more bitter by the season and it's why he hates Wenger so much. He knows he can never emulate what Wenger achieved no matter how many trophies he bludgeons his way to. Mourinho is simply incapable of producing the joy Wenger arranged on the pitch. Nobody will ever talk about Mourinho's teams in hushed tones. Give the fucker a billion quid and it's still beyond him to produce the magic. Instead he cobbled together a parody, a Frankenstein bride as opposed to a ten out of ten fuck fantasy. The Sam Allardyce of Saville Row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borini Is Boss View Post
    No it wasn't.
    Nobody likes you any more. It was fine when you were losing but that's all over now and you brought this on yourself.
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