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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2IEkv9gXv

    I this isn't NQ's favorite writer or rag, but this is worth the read in light of the recent debate about finances and FFP.

    It relates to what I said about protecting the status quo. The rules won't prevent takeovers, just the ability to invest. That doesn't help the smaller clubs because they don't generate a lot of sponorship money so would be stuck as feeder clubs for the elites forever. It's very dodgy. They need to rethink the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2IEkv9gXv

    I this isn't NQ's favorite writer or rag, but this is worth the read in light of the recent debate about finances and FFP.

    It relates to what I said about protecting the status quo. The rules won't prevent takeovers, just the ability to invest. That doesn't help the smaller clubs because they don't generate a lot of sponorship money so would be stuck as feeder clubs for the elites forever. It's very dodgy. They need to rethink the rules.
    Nah, he's a cunt that bloke. Half the story Samuel. He's right on the point that the clubs who have managed their affairs within the confines of proper business practices are looking to lock themselves in at the top and exclude potential newcomers. And he's right they are rolling out a barely credible cover story. Shock, money men interested in money! But they also have a point, because what is seriously to be done about crooks buying up football and dumping their dirty money into it as if it's a giant laundry for washing the cash and their grim reputations? How does Samuel tackle this? He doesn't. In fact he barely mentions the crooks at chavski and in gypoland, instead he rolls out Walker as a front man and hides the nasty stuff behind him. Turns out Samuel is a bit of a devious shit himself. Of course he's right about UEFA, it would be hard not be right about them. But it's pretty incredible he manages to find such sympathy for the poor old fans who Arsenal are scalping, but doesn't manage to connect the dots that lead to one of the key reasons prices have been inflated in football. Financial dopers who don't care how much they dump into the game or how much they bung even mediocre payers. The odious Platini sealed the deal this week. The new rules are simple - do what you want and give Platini and his mates a brown envelope and all is well. Who could have ever guessed it would turn out that way? They're all in it together, all jostling for a cut. Samuel is the same. The more money sloshing around the game the greater the exposure and that means more material to be spun and ultimately more money for Samuel to write his half stories.
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    The new rules wouldn't prevent crooked owners from buying a club. Also, it's fair to pin inflation all on the new money clubs. Real Madrid were breaking transfer records way before City and Chelsea, Utd were doing it as well. It's a problem now because the pace and threshold has been set by clubs outside of the establishment and that makes them uncomfortable. They want to protect the old regime.

    Before Chelsea and City arrived, we were paying high prices on tickets as well. FFP won't stop that. Will continue on with the self sustaining model and we'll still have a crook on our board. I think that would have to be dealt with seperatly.

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    The chavs have been here quite a while you know. And the gypos are only getting started. Expect to see the £1mill a week player on their books. Sounds ludicrous, just as the £100K player sounded ludicrous before it happened. Neither of these are real football clubs. The pay large sums of money with no hope of getting it back so they can secure a seat at the table with the real football clubs. The Spanish pair have had their snouts buried for years, at the expense of everyone else in Spanish football. No argument there. If I had billions I'd pick the most unglamorous team I could find - Breacon Beacon Fuckwits, or someone like that, give them a really cool name, like ARZ Bandits, and hire all the best players to play non-league. Just give them so much money they couldn't say no. That would show the extreme of what football can become. People could say, plucky little ARZ Bandits! Would they fuck, people like Samuel would be up in arms. Even if I changed my name to Jack Walker. Suppose I could bring Arry in to manage things, that way the media wouldn't be able to say anything bad about the club.
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    That's nothing new. Having a team full of players that all cost over £1m was a think to bulk out way back in the 90s and Utd had no problem building such a team when their rivals couldn't. They've had their cash injection from wealthy investors, built there super team and taken advantage of sponsorship money, TV rights and CL money. They were happy to have most the TV rights carved up for the big clubs leaving little for everyone else. It's all dirty. That business with that horse, Utd's main shareholders, McManus and Magnier was dodgy. That's been swept under the carpet and went away quietly. Fergie and his son Darren....rumours of dodgy transfer deals, the BBC fallout...it's all very corrupt and another reason why i can't tolerate the applauds for Fergie. I thought that man was dodgy and the previous shareholders thought so too. It doesn't excuse what's going on now with the new money clubs, but it's an enquiry being led by crooks.

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    I can't believe this is still going!!

    You're all fuckin nuts!
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    That's nothing new. Having a team full of players that all cost over £1m was a think to bulk out way back in the 90s and Utd had no problem building such a team when their rivals couldn't. They've had their cash injection from wealthy investors, built there super team and taken advantage of sponsorship money, TV rights and CL money. They were happy to have most the TV rights carved up for the big clubs leaving little for everyone else. It's all dirty. That business with that horse, Utd's main shareholders, McManus and Magnier was dodgy. That's been swept under the carpet and went away quietly. Fergie and his son Darren....rumours of dodgy transfer deals, the BBC fallout...it's all very corrupt and another reason why i can't tolerate the applauds for Fergie. I thought that man was dodgy and the previous shareholders thought so too. It doesn't excuse what's going on now with the new money clubs, but it's an enquiry being led by crooks.
    That's fair. Which is why at some point somebody somewhere has to intervene and put a stop to this. It'll have to be the fans because every bastard ever hired to protect the game has instead taken a teat and sucked. FIFA and UEFA it's a sick joke. But we should never accept that's just the way things are because that's an invitation for things to get worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    I can't believe this is still going!!

    You're all fuckin nuts!
    Passing the time until our cup triumph.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    Passing the time until our cup triumph.
    This thread will never last for 4 years.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sterling Archer View Post
    This thread will never last for 4 years.
    Oh yes it will....
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