Yes, in the years Wenger would dismiss the domestic cups and bench key players when we're up against a strong squad like when he benched an on form Arshavin when up against Utd.Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon
Yes, in the years Wenger would dismiss the domestic cups and bench key players when we're up against a strong squad like when he benched an on form Arshavin when up against Utd.
Not to quite in the same way - Pogba rlooks like more of a Vieira type midfielder, he'll win the ball from a central / deeper area (i.e. where you'd want him to be), and then drive forward from there, whereas Khedira seems like more of a (large) midfield terrier, who will go and hunt the ball down, wherever it happens to be, even if it means pressing and hassling the opposition fullbacks at the other end of the pitch. Or, to put it another way, Pogba will push forward once he has the ball and it's his turn to attack; Khedira quite often pushes forward when the opposition has the ball and he's defending.
None of which is to say that Khedira is a shite player and a liability - you quite often see midfield terriers paired with a more disciplined holding midfielder to good effect - I'm just not convinced that playing that way would represent the best use of our options? I'm assuming Ramsey and Ozil are going to be amongst the first names on the team sheet most weeks (whether that's some variation of 433 or 4231), so that only really leaves us with one slot left for a defensive midfielder, and I think that player would need to be quite positionally disciplined in order to let those other two do their thing? Could Khedira do that job if we asked him to (genuine question - I honestly haven't followed his career closely enough to be able to say)?
Yes, Ozil can be undisciplined in his defending but also in his movement when attacking. Well, unorthodox as I said before. He doesn’t need a central role to flourish and seems comfortable playing wide and drifting in field. He does most of his damage in the final third and If feel that’s the same with Ramsey with his late runs into the box. But with both players pushing so far forward, it frustrates me to see how we can struggle to pass the ball out from the back with nobody thinking to come back deeper and make themselves available for the pass. With Arteta/Flamini holding, we could have played Cesc as a CM, Ramsey just ahead and shifted Ozil to a wide position.
That’s obviously not going to happen now but I still feel we lack a deep laying central midfield player that’s the glue between attack and defence. We can still look disjointed as seen against Hull when teams press hard. But there is more than one way to skin a cat which is why I’m hoping Wenger signs a DM that can keep the play flowing for us.
We'd go out and thrash teams 6-0 in the cups, what the fuck you on about
Now we barely scrape past them.
Ozil hardly has a lavish team right now. No Walcott, no pace, no width, central midfielders out on the wing, no attacking full backs to aim for. Project youth might have been a failure but at least central midfielders had options and players in different angles to pass the ball to. Technically it was a brilliant team but mentally it was all wrong. This team is the opposite. It's mentally tougher but technically piss poor IMO, our football is pretty crap and dull to watch. Ozil has fuck all options. If he was an AM in the project youth team he'd have a field day with all those runners and options. And more importantly, Cesc had a beastly Adebayor ahead of him, Ozil has Giroud.
As I said, no contest tbh.
The point I was making is that neither really seem the sit and hold type, which with the mix of personnel we have seems to be (ostensibly at least) the type of player we need.
I think the pair of them are astute enough to fine tune their roles dependent on the team and managers direction but I can't say I hold much hope in signing either...... certainly not Pogba.
You don’t remember when Wenger benched Arshavin for an FA Cup semi final tie? I think that was when we started getting the 4th is a trophy comments and before that pundits were on us for fielding weaker sides in cup games.We'd go out and thrash teams 6-0 in the cups, what the fuck you on about
Now we barely scrape past them.
Ozil hardly has a lavish team right now. No Walcott, no pace, no width, central midfielders out on the wing, no attacking full backs to aim for. Project youth might have been a failure but at least central midfielders had options and players in different angles to pass the ball to. Technically it was a brilliant team but mentally it was all wrong. This team is the opposite. It's mentally tougher but technically piss poor IMO, our football is pretty crap and dull to watch. Ozil has fuck all options. If he was an AM in the project youth team he'd have a field day with all those runners and options. And more importantly, Cesc had a beastly Adebayor ahead of him, Ozil has Giroud.
As I said, no contest tbh.
It doesn’t matter anyway. You say no contest but all three players have won the exact same thing in their Arsenal careers. It’s a pretty pointless debate.
Pogba would be out of our league in terms of transfer fee and wages, plus he isnt a holding/DCM and would be more of a Ramsey type of player rather than a defensive one.
Khedira is just ugly, his style of play is ugly, his running is ugly and as a footballer he is really annoying.
Good point. Apart from the fact that's not what I said.If you really believe Cesc got pushed out for politics, the Barca circus, and whatever other nonsense then you are naive.
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We shouldn't be bothered about Pogba's fee. After 10 years of spending fuck all net, alleviated by the Ozil transfer which was itself offset by outgoings, £60mill should be well within our reach. All we have to do is ask ourselves, would a young Patrick Vieira improve the current team? The answer is obviously yes, so we should sign Pogba. Not only because we need him and have needed a player like him for a decade, but also because it's about time we went head to head with our rivals and won a transfer war for a top tier player.
Of course maybe Pogba doesn't view us as top tier and wouldn't want to come here. That's where Wenger would have to earn his pay.
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the only CM we should be targeting is William Carvalho.
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