The Welbz Thread (official)

[BOBN]

And you think the best way to educate us all is to tell us not to have an opinion on a forum? Won't it be even quieter around here if we follow your expert advice?

People need to be told to give a player who hasnt kicked a ball for us a chance?

If people are that bloodthirty there are plenty of players who have played games to choose from. No doubt those writing him off will be the same lot who if and but about Ozils 12 months of averageness, who whine about "he needs time!!!".

If Welbeck does well we have a great player on our hands. If he does averagely, he still provides a better option off the bench than Podoski as a Plan B. If he does poorly, Sunderland will buy him for £12.5m. Its a no brainer transfer.

[Niall_Quinn]

That's all true, the only thing that bothers me is that now our search for a striker is over, so there's no chance of seeing someone decent up front for the foreseeable future.

Let's be honest, if Man U thought Wellbeck was any good they wouldn't have sold him to us as it would have made no sense.

Not necessarily true. They've splashed a fortune trying to buy their way back into the big time, trying to get instant results. It means there's no room for developing players to come through. Sounds to me like they gave the option to Welbeck and Cleverley to stay and fight for a place. After all that cash outlay Utd are unlikely to leave the likes of Rooney and Falcao on the bench. So no place for Welbeck doesn't automatically imply he's no good. In fact even if he was just as good it would still be difficult to justify leaving out players earning £300K a week. Apparently they had to pay Falcao a premium because they can't offer him CL. He's on as much as Rooney. That's over £30mill a year on wages for those two alone. In fact it's complete insanity. I doubt Sturridge or Aguero would make that team now - the financials wouldn't allow it. If RvM has got this wrong it's going to be a bloodbath. He'd better win something.

[Niall_Quinn]

People need to be told to give a player who hasnt kicked a ball for us a chance?

If people are that bloodthirty there are plenty of players who have played games to choose from. No doubt those writing him off will be the same lot who if and but about Ozils 12 months of averageness, who whine about "he needs time!!!".

If Welbeck does well we have a great player on our hands. If he does averagely, he still provides a better option off the bench than Podoski as a Plan B. If he does poorly, Sunderland will buy him for £12.5m. Its a no brainer transfer.

People don't need to be told though, do they? They need to be able to have their own opinion just like you have yours and then everyone can agree to disagree if need be. This isn't an exam with a score at the end, it's an opinions forum.

Give people a few days to get over signing a player from a major rival that we have a long history with. If the player does the business on the pitch then it won't take long for everyone to come around.

The day after, yes you're right, it's starting to look better. Sanogo out, anyone in is a plus. Falcao or Welbeck? When you think it all through long term, the latter. Five year contract instead of a player wanting away to Madrid, half the costs, the player is younger, helps us with quotas etc, could thrive now he's out from the shadow of big money primadonnas and will have a bigger role here. Could be a scary combination with Walcott. Lots of coulds and maybes, we'll have to wait and see. But we are a big step forward from the Sanogo situation this morning so that's a crucial plus.

We all want the same thing in the end.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

the greatest pleasure i have taken in football is watching Welbeck play for England, watching him make a pigs ear of every chance he ever gets, his rotten first touch breaking down promising attacks etc and thinking ha this cretin plays for Man United....i feel like someone has died today.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We all want the same thing in the end.

Welbeck to spontaneously combust?...maybe the collective willpower of hundreds of thousands of supporters might be enough to make it happen.

[GP]

Just ordered my Welbeck shirt.

[Özim]

Not necessarily true. They've splashed a fortune trying to buy their way back into the big time, trying to get instant results. It means there's no room for developing players to come through. Sounds to me like they gave the option to Welbeck and Cleverley to stay and fight for a place. After all that cash outlay Utd are unlikely to leave the likes of Rooney and Falcao on the bench. So no place for Welbeck doesn't automatically imply he's no good. In fact even if he was just as good it would still be difficult to justify leaving out players earning £300K a week. Apparently they had to pay Falcao a premium because they can't offer him CL. He's on as much as Rooney. That's over £30mill a year on wages for those two alone. In fact it's complete insanity. I doubt Sturridge or Aguero would make that team now - the financials wouldn't allow it. If RvM has got this wrong it's going to be a bloodbath. He'd better win something.

I was really talking about the fact they sold him to us, if they thought he was that good they wouldn't have, they'd have found another buyer, Man U don't sell their better players to rivals.

[Power n Glory]

Remy wanted £5mill a year, about £100K - again of course, according to the media. A lot for a player who has yet to do anything significant. The fact he's gone to sit on the chav bench says a lot about his priorities.

Welbeck didn't want a loan deal, wants a starting position, CL footie and £115K - according to the media. Sounds ambitious. Then again, Theo demanded a starting position and £100K and many, including myself, viewed that as greedy considering (like Welbeck) he hasn't hit the anticipated heights yet. All very difficult to judge these silly wages for players that have paper thin differences between them.

I only saw reports of £80k a week and you can't begrudge him that. If the club thinks a player is good enough to start, you can't pay him less than the rest of our starters. It's a fair asking wage. Arteta came to us on £75kpw, Pod is earning £100kpw. Welbeck is coming in at the top end so it's quite surprising if we actually scoffed at Remy's wage demands.

Also, you need to put things into perspective. If you believe in yourself and your talent, you wouldn't sell yourself short and settle for being a big fish in a small pond. That shows a serious lack of confidence and no club should want such a player. It's hard to begrudge a player for wanting a move from QPR to Chelsea.

But what's done is done. I think this was another panic buy.

[AKBapologist]

The same people underrating and slating Welbeck are pretty much the same who said Theo was shit or still believe we can compete for the like of Falcao or Cavani in a typical bidding war.

United have just given £275k per week to someone who's had 3 ACL injuries. Let that sink in for a minute...

If Fergie were in charge, Welbeck would have never gone to us, but I'm not yet convinced LVG knows what he's doing yet.

[Penguin]

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