Originally Posted by LDG
Welbeck's goal record does look pretty worrying. He has the technical ability to score some great goals, but the problem for him is that his composure goes out the window when he gets a good chance. I'm not sure that's something you can teach. But it's also not something that you 'either have or you don't', just look at Theo and Ramsey who had similar problems before something just clicked. Even RvP had the same problem where he would miss tons of easy chances, then score a screamer. I'm not expecting any miracles this season on the goalscoring front, but I don't see why he can't get about 20 goals in all competitions if he makes sure he scores the 'easy' chances and one-on-ones. Giroud scored 22 last season and you could make a 10 minute compilation of his misses!
As for his link up play, holding up the ball and bringing other players into play I would rate Welbeck higher than Giroud. Apart from that two or three month spell at the start of last season when Giroud was pulling off those outrageous flicks, that side of his game has been toilet. I think I remember PnG that posting a stat that he only had a ~50% success rate with them which is poor but not surprising. The number of times he ruins opportunities because he hits it behind the player, chooses the wrong option or flicks it first time when there was plenty of space to control the ball or even to turn and run with the ball. Welbeck on the other hand is a bit more intelligent with the ball in those situations and doesn't lose it as cheaply.
Yeah, it was around 50% for us during the season and it was the same for France during a game in the World Cup. One of the journalists picked up on it when France started to fall apart.
So this wasn't some bad dream last night, it actually happened.
Oh god.
The 4th choice striker for a mid table team is the best we can get. And we paid £16m for it.
I'm in just as much disbelief as I was this time last year, only this time for all the wrong reasons.
The Moss Side Henry...
In some peoples opinions, like yours, paying £16 mill for Welbeck is not wasted because; a, he is not shit, otherwise he would never have got near a Man Utd or England shirt & b, because he's certainly no worse than what we currently have up top & could turn out to be a good goal scoring forward. This is an opinion that could turn out to be correct.
However NQ may be basing his opinion on something similar to mine. Welbeck still has to prove himself as a quality CF. Even utd fans who were sad to see him go did mention about his lack of finishing ability. Therefore if we spend £16 mill on a player that may not give us anything better than Giroud, Welbeck may well be a squad player when Giroud is fit. If this is the case & because of the Welbeck spend we couldn't afford to bring in a DM that guarantees better quality in the starting line up then it could be viewed that this money would have been better spent elsewhere. If you spend money that could have been put to better use it is often viewed as " a waste ".
These days to compete with the Gypos, Chavs, Utd & Liverpool + the top teams in the C.L ( which is what we are being promised by our manager & board ) it is my opinion that,as we cannot afford to spend the silly amounts that these teams do, we have to buy ready made, proven quality that will improve our weakest areas. We can't buy middle of the road players & hope they turn into world beaters, those days are gone - the other teams are all too strong to allow us the time for this to happen.
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/sta...trikers-at-23/but I wonder what those fans made of a 23-year-old Didier Drogba. Having paid £80,000 for him after he scored 5 goals in 21 appearances for Le Mans, I wonder whether they were impressed with his return of 3 goals in 11 games. With 8 goals in 32 appearances as a 23-year-old, 0.25 goals per game, I wonder how many people wrote him off.
Similarly, in the year that Eric Cantona turned 23, what were Marseille fans saying about his 5 goals in 22 appearances? Granted, they probably had more to say about his poor conduct on and off the field, rather than how many times he was sticking the ball in to the back of the net, but his club were happy to palm him off to Bordeux, where he scored 6 goals in five months. Cantona was 27 before he was getting in to double figures every season.
Like BOBN said, too many worthless opinions ITT.
It’s all worthless. We have no idea what Welbeck will be like in our set up. We just have to wait and see. Will Wenger polish him up and turn him into a beast? Who knows. Time will tell. All the Redcafe comments and Manure fans in moaning – delusional – he was never going to be the second coming at Utd. They haven’t produced a great young player for their first team in years. They all end up getting sold. The good and the bad. Pogba, Rossi, Pique, Richardson, Darren Gibson, Campbell.....it’s a long list.
I wouldn’t write Welbeck off as shit but he’s an unfinished product and the problem I have with this deal is the fact that we have plenty of options in this area. Why spend £16m and £115 on wages when you haven’t given much of a chance to Campbell, Walcott or even Sanchez? We don’t know how these guys will fair up front over a long period but I feel it’s the same for Welbeck. He’s a player that needs just as much work as our internal options. That’s why this deal doesn’t make much sense.
But we will see how things go and hopefully we can turn him into and absolute monster.
I was really down-beat about Welbeck signing last night. But, after seeing his stats today, which are pretty much the same a Giroud, Im fairly happy. Also, the annoyance on Redcafe must mean they think a fair bit of him. From what I gather he really puts himself about, and has good pace. Reckon he will offer more all round game than the quite often stationary Giroud.
But we will see, good luck to him, hope he want to prove something here and does.
I confess, seeing the negative reaction from Man Utd and their belief that we got a "deal" here has given me some improved confidence in this signing. This is despite my immediate disgust when I first heard the rumours yesterday afternoon.
The Mancs seem confident that he'll do a Sturridge however I'm not sure if that's just a cheap analysis based on the fact they have some physical similarities (young, English, pacy, forwards etc etc etc).
Meh ...... anything is better than Sanogo and now that he's our player I'll fully back him. Welcome to the club Danny.
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