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    Are you drunk again?
    Shut up you miserable fool. You always moan and never support the team.

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    Knew someone was going to do that.....thank you

    The fact that he can is only a good thing for us

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    Welbeck might surprise a few people, been at Man U since he was 8, Fergie rated him, hopefully he just needs a run in the team as a striker and not utility forward. Giroud being injured should give him a run of consecutive games as number one Arsenal striker. Let's see what he can do.

    Of course I'd rather have Falcao but let's see how well he does. Just getting over a big injury and pretty much has been on holiday for the past season coasting in the French league. Will he hit the ground running and instantly adjust to the PL? Welbeck needs no adjustment time.

    The one thing about Welbeck is he works damn hard up front. He might not need to score goals if he can create space/chances for our midfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japan Shaking All Over View Post
    it haven't seen him score a screamer from outside the box
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grebbo View Post
    Welbeck might surprise a few people, been at Man U since he was 8, Fergie rated him, hopefully he just needs a run in the team as a striker and not utility forward. Giroud being injured should give him a run of consecutive games as number one Arsenal striker. Let's see what he can do.

    Of course I'd rather have Falcao but let's see how well he does. Just getting over a big injury and pretty much has been on holiday for the past season coasting in the French league. Will he hit the ground running and instantly adjust to the PL? Welbeck needs no adjustment time.

    The one thing about Welbeck is he works damn hard up front. He might not need to score goals if he can create space/chances for our midfield.
    Yep. What people seem to be forgetting is that United are light years ahead of us as a club and Ferguson is lightyears ahead of Wenger as a manager of squads. Theres no way theyd have tolerated Welbeck in and around the first team, as a striker no less, if he was no good. Meanwhile fans from a club with Giroud and Sanogo turn their noses up, as if theyre dining at the top table of this football lark. twilight zone stuff.

    On Falcao - I remember Tim Vickery banging on before and during the world cup that his injury may be a blessing in disguise for Colombia as his hold up and link up play is shyt, he cannot play as a lone striker and forces Columbia to play with two up fron. He says his injury basically allowed James Rodriguez (and that winger) to blossom in the hole and still allowed Colombia to play 2 disiplined CMs behind him.

    If Ozil and Sanchez are as good as people say they are, Welbeck is the type of striker they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOBN View Post
    Yep. What people seem to be forgetting is that United are light years ahead of us as a club and Ferguson is lightyears ahead of Wenger as a manager of squads. Theres no way theyd have tolerated Welbeck in and around the first team, as a striker no less, if he was no good. Meanwhile fans from a club with Giroud and Sanogo turn their noses up, as if theyre dining at the top table of this football lark. twilight zone stuff.

    On Falcao - I remember Tim Vickery banging on before and during the world cup that his injury may be a blessing in disguise for Colombia as his hold up and link up play is shyt, he cannot play as a lone striker and forces Columbia to play with two up fron. He says his injury basically allowed James Rodriguez (and that winger) to blossom in the hole and still allowed Colombia to play 2 disiplined CMs behind him.

    If Ozil and Sanchez are as good as people say they are, Welbeck is the type of striker they need.
    Fergie isn't a great talent spotter and Utd haven't produced a great player from youth on up in years. They sold Pogba, Pique and Rossi, hung on to Nani, Anderson....bought Ashley Young and the guy has gone backwards....Smalling, Evans, Jones, those Brazilian twin wingbacks....it's a woeful record.

    Wenger has his faults but he's been pissing all over Fergie with youth development in recent years. Walcott, Ramsey, Cesc, RVP, Szczesny, Kosienly, Oxlade....

    I wish Welbeck the best over here but he wasn't setting the stage on fire at United and there is no way anyone can say if he stayed he'd have reached the next level. He has raw talent but most of United's kids do but the development stops once it's time to transition into a proper first team player. That's why it was the right move for Welbeck to move away from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Fergie isn't a great talent spotter and Utd haven't produced a great player from youth on up in years. They sold Pogba, Pique and Rossi, hung on to Nani, Anderson....bought Ashley Young and the guy has gone backwards....Smalling, Evans, Jones, those Brazilian twin wingbacks....it's a woeful record.

    Wenger has his faults but he's been pissing all over Fergie with youth development in recent years. Walcott, Ramsey, Cesc, RVP, Szczesny, Kosienly, Oxlade....

    I wish Welbeck the best over here but he wasn't setting the stage on fire at United and there is no way anyone can say if he stayed he'd have reached the next level. He has raw talent but most of United's kids do but the development stops once it's time to transition into a proper first team player. That's why it was the right move for Welbeck to move away from them.


    The crop of players they zipped through their youth ranks in the 90's is credited as Fergie's doing, when in actual fact, far from developing homegrown players, Utd systematically raped other clubs for talent before anyone else had thought of doing the same. Does David Beckham sound like a local Salford lad?

    And a lot of that talent spotting is credited to Brian Kidd, I believe, rather than Fergie (as his recent record of buying youth suggests).

    Fergie is by far and away a better motivator, and tactician than Wenger, but Wenger is far superior at youth development.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Im not talking about youth development.

    Show me their Sanogos and Jenkinsons through Fergusons glory years? Effectively league 1 player very much in and around the first team. They dont suffer fools up there. Those twos feet wouldnt have even touched the ground.

    A finished journeyman Flamini would never have been given a 3 year contract, he'd never have signed Silvestre and squillaci. Diaby would be gone, Bendtners contract torn up. Vermalean wouldnt have had a sniff of the captaincy. They do things differently up there.

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    Back to Arsenal, I remember in Henrys last year or so thinking it was unnecessary having him. Just as Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky were coming to the boil. It seemed extravagently wasteful to have such a good striker effectively playing lone striker space-maker/holder-upper for the playmakers in behind him. Inefficient. So it was no suprised when we downgraded to Adebayor. A keener runner (at the time) and a real battering ram. We werent wasting his talents by making him do that, it was what he was good for, and it worked.

    Welbeck can be our Adebayor, with the potential to be better as his workrate wont drop and his technique seems more assured.

    Can Ozil be our Fabregas?

    Time for him to prove hes "the best number 10 in the world". If it doesnt work its on him.

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