The Welbz Thread (official)

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2 goals in 8 games is another way of putting it. Which still isn't stellar, but this is a pretty poor England side.
He's got 10 goals in 28 games for England, not a bad ratio at that level.

It's not too bad, he's got it all to prove at the moment though, we saw him miss sitters for Man U plenty of times, until he starts putting them away the tag following him about missing chances will remain.

I hope he does because the rest of his game is really good, time will tell but I expect him to be one of those players who does score but also misses quite a few, just like Cole did or Giroud does, in many ways that's been a problem for us because in big games when chances are rare you need to take yours to take the points.

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I don't really watch enough football to have taken much notice of him at Utd. What I've seen since he signed for us impresses me though.
The unfortunate thing for him is with Giroud out a lot is expected of him and he will be under more scrutiny that is probably fair.

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I thought that was Zim

Exactly!

[Power n Glory]

Not irrelevant at all because the media are the driving force behind this idea Welbeck can't finish. We didn't hear a word about it from them before the transfer. Listening to Utd fans, one minute they are gutted he has left, then they slowly move to the view he's no good anyway. That hateful coward van Gaal then pitches in with his Manchester Utd "standard" bullshit.

This is a kid who just got both the goals in what will probably be England's toughest qualifier - when the spotloght was bang on him. How's that for composure? Point proved. The media would still be gushing if he was still at Utd. Instead they mention he's kept his Utd wash bag. It's comedy.

Looks at where the media focus is - Ozil, Welbeck, Wilshere - all with big question marks attached.

Rooney the fraud - MOTM.

If we are to do any serious analysis then the media bullshit has to be filtered out. It may be irrelevant but it's at the heart of all the bullshit and the fuel for all these myths.

Maybe the media is the driving force behind your opinion if you haven’t seen him play before. What the heck has Rooney got to do with our game last Saturday? It’s irrelevant. Why are you even bringing it up like it affects us in some way? I don’t even think the press are focusing on Danny Welbeck. You’re being paranoid.

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I think there has been a fairly large amount of media comment on Welbeck. Most of what I've read is how well Arsenal have come out of this deal.

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You might say he was unlucky, but you make your own luck to some extent, a top finisher would have most likely put that away, he's got a history of missing chances, so was this just bad luck or an example of an achilles heel, failing to choose the right option and put the ball away.

On some days, maybe? In general though, I don't think it's uncommon for most CFs to spurn a few chances before they 'find their range'.

Which does make you wonder whether Danny Welbeck has genuinely been as wasteful with his chances in comparison to other forwards as is being being made out, or whether he's simply had fewer chances per game to work with because he's been playing on the wings? Forget his goals-per-games ratio for a minute - does anyone know what his chance conversion rate is? Having paid a bit more attention to what his shooting is actually like now, I wouldn't mind betting that it's not actually too far off any other forward in the league?

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I think there has been a fairly large amount of media comment on Welbeck. Most of what I've read is how well Arsenal have come out of this deal.

Very true. It hasn't been negative.

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On some days, maybe? In general though, I don't think it's uncommon for most CFs to spurn a few chances before they 'find their range'.

Which does make you wonder whether Danny Welbeck has genuinely been as wasteful with his chances in comparison to other forwards as is being being made out, or whether he's simply had fewer chances per game to work with because he's been playing on the wings? Forget his goals-per-games ratio for a minute - does anyone know what his chance conversion rate is? Having paid a bit more attention to what his shooting is actually like now, I wouldn't mind betting that it's not actually too far off any other forward in the league?

Welbeck just needs to polish up on his finishing. When you’re confident enough to attempt chips, dinks and lobs, you can tell he’s confident in front of goal but needs to work on polishing his execution. It was the same with Theo. You’d see him miss chances but also score the type of goals someone like Sanogo or Adebaor just can’t. He’ll be fine with a bit of practice.

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2 goals in 8 games is another way of putting it. Which still isn't stellar, but this is a pretty poor England side.
He's got 10 goals in 28 games for England, not a bad ratio at that level.

You also need to be factoring in what actually constitutes 'a game' with some of these stats - are we talking about a full 90 minutes for each of those games in these stats, or are we also counting 5 or 10 minutes here and there from the bench?

Again, I think a lot of these goals/games ratios are very misleading with some players - at the very least, we should be looking at goals/minutes, but even that doesn't account for things like where you're actually being played, and whether the game is essentially already won by the time you come on, and your team is just seeing the game out, with no real urgency. Chance conversion rates are probably going to be our best guide when trying to work out how good/ or bad a finisher Welbeck actually is (and even they aren't perfect)...

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Welbeck just needs to polish up on his finishing. When you’re confident enough to attempt chips, dinks and lobs, you can tell he’s confident in front of goal but needs to work on polishing his execution. It was the same with Theo. You’d see him miss chances but also score the type of goals someone like Sanogo or Adebaor just can’t. He’ll be fine with a bit of practice.

Yeah, from what I've seen of him over the last couple of weeks, it doesn't look like there's too much wrong with his ability or technique? He just needs to work on the first thought that comes into his head in those situations: at the moment he seems to automatically want to do something flashy, when something simpler would actually serve him better (at least while the scores are tied, or we're chasing a game)?

I'm hoping that sort of thing will come fairly naturally though, once he's more confident of his place in the side? Just a theory, but I reckon a lot of that flashiness stems from the situatuion he was in at United, where his place in the side was never certain, and he maybe felt that he had to do something eye-catching and memorable in order to keep it?