Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Xhaka Can’t]

I felt he should have left with his head held high after the cup win, however I think he also deserved a chance to spend some of the new money that wasn't previously available to him. There was some cause for optimism after winning the cup and landing a player like Sanchez but it seems like we're not really much stronger as a team, arguably weaker right now thanks to the regression of a defence that was previously ok.

He shot himself in the foot in the transfer window, for the first time in years he had backing from the masses but now he's back to square one. Not signing adequate numbers in defence was just plain foolish and he completely missed a trick by not bringing Cesc back or at least finding an upgrade on Flamini/Arteta.

We're consistently exposed against sides of quality and even the lesser teams are able to really get stuck into us. There is no tactical nous, the team play like they've just been told to go out there and do their thing, they start every match like they're on auto-pilot and only seem to react when they've been caught cold. Why does he persist with such an ineffective style of play? We have a fair bit of pace now and Giroud is out of the picture, so why not mix things up. Square pegs in round holes everywhere hoping to replicate some sort of lite version of tiki-taka.

The problem is the man doesn't give a damn about we think, if anything the more we complain about something the more he'll turn a blind eye to it. He's too far gone and stuck in his ways, there's nothing progressive or innovative about what he's doing anymore, it's stale and there are a host of younger managers who have more going for them now. People say we couldn't have signed someone like Ozil without him which is true, but what good is that when he can't even extract the required quality out of him. That guy looks like an absolute shell of a player under Wenger's management, not too dissimilar to other previously highly rated players who have been and gone over the past 5-6 years.

He's been a top manager for us but unless there is dramatic success coming over the next 3 years, he's going to leave with his legacy tarnished and that's just sad because he is a great man who has put this club in a position we couldn't have dreamed about 20 years ago.

First class post.

[fakeyank]

Frankly No, i want someone who has actually won at least a domestic title somewhere.....i agree he's doing a good job with Everton but if people are talking about the big name pull that we have, yes i'd want someone bigger than Martinez who has not managed a club in the Champions League (and completley choked when they managed to nose in front of us for qualification towards the end of last season) let alone come anywhere near winning a league title.

Wenger had won only one cup of note with Monaco in the 80s before he joined us, yet he didnt do too bad till the early 2000's. Klopp hadnt won anything before Dortmund and look at what he is doing with the team. Brendan Rogers, even though hasnt won anything, his teams play top rate football. Winning and losing can come to some real fine details, I just want my team to at least entertain! I cant recall the last season when we played football that made me think "Wow, that was awesome"

IMO, a manager does not win a trophy coming out of his mothers womb. There is always a first time and Martinez with the right club and finances will be a winner!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger had won only one cup of note with Monaco in the 80s before he joined us, yet he didnt do too bad till the early 2000's. Klopp hadnt won anything before Dortmund and look at what he is doing with the team. Brendan Rogers, even though hasnt won anything, his teams play top rate football. Winning and losing can come to some real fine details, I just want my team to at least entertain! I cant recall the last season when we played football that made me think "Wow, that was awesome"

IMO, a manager does not win a trophy coming out of his mothers womb. There is always a first time and Martinez with the right club and finances will be a winner!

Wenger won the league title in 1988 (which meets my criteria for a domestic league title), i'm not going to go down the road of arguing how he might have won more if Bernard Tapie hadn't bribed other players and officials to throw matches to win titles for Marseille. He was also a big enough prospect in the early-mid nineties that Bayern Munich wanted him as manager.

Dortmund were a club struggling both in terms of football and financially when Klopp became manager, they were acheiving mid-table finishes before he came so arguably it was easier for them to throw caution to the wind.

And yes you're right about Brendan Rodgers....he has won nothing.

[fakeyank]

I certainly hope that whoever selects our next manager has a broader mind than that

[Letters]

I certainly hope that whoever selects our next manager has a broader mind than that

It's not that unreasonable to think our next manager should have a proven track record of winning titles.
It's not that unreasonable to think we could give someone who hasn't done that but who shows a lot of potential a chance.

The latter is arguably more risky though.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

I certainly hope that whoever selects our next manager has a broader mind than that

Agreed.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Agreed.

That's the mindset i'd expect from someone who wants to get rid of Wenger just for the sake of doing so

I don't see the point of getting rid of him, for anything less than someone who has a proven track record of winning titles. At the moment we are stagnating, we are not in danger of mid-table or relegation....therefore we need to guarantee that he's been replaced by someone of guaranteed quality rather than just doing it on a whim because we don't like him.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

That's the mindset i'd expect from someone who wants to get rid of Wenger just for the sake of doing so

I don't see the point of getting rid of him, for anything less than someone who has a proven track record of winning titles. At the moment we are stagnating, we are not in danger of mid-table or relegation....therefore we need to guarantee that he's been replaced by someone of guaranteed quality rather than just doing it on a whim because we don't like him.

Ok let's think about this logically.

Problems with Wenger:

1. Doesn't apply tactics. Just tells team to turn up and 'do their thing'
2. Sells key players every season and fails to strengthen (this summer we replaced, we didn't strengthen)
3. Has faith in players that are clearly not good enough e.g. Sanogo
4. Gets tactically shat on every game because is tactically poor, with no plan B
5. Plays players out of position

If we get someone that addresses all those areas, like Martinez or Klopp, and implements a system to suit our players, how can we not fare better?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Ok let's think about this logically.

Problems with Wenger:

1. Doesn't apply tactics. Just tells team to turn up and 'do their thing'
2. Sells key players every season and fails to strengthen (this summer we replaced, we didn't strengthen)
3. Has faith in players that are clearly not good enough e.g. Sanogo
4. Gets tactically shat on every game because is tactically poor, with no plan B
5. Plays players out of position

If we get someone that addresses all those areas, like Martinez or Klopp, and implements a system to suit our players, how can we not fare better?

My criteria is pretty clear, if we get a manager who has won a domestic title with a club than it's not a risk and it's worth pursuing, if the manager has not and actually has a record of getting relegated as a manager (like Martinez who if you are being really harsh you could argue was rewarded for failure by getting the job at Everton) than i'd say it's not a risk worth taking when we consider that as frustrating as Wenger is we are one of the most stabile clubs in Europe. I am sick of stagnating as much as anyone, but i'm also pretty risk adverse and everything that has been said about Martinez at Everton has previously been said of Moyes and in the end he didn't have the stature or the authority to take it onto the next level.
For me the best and most realistic choice at this moment in time would be Rudi Garcia....who has won a league title with Lille and pushed Juventus all the way in Serie A last season despite having to sell their top players every summer.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I think the difference is you sound to me like "Anyone would be better than Wenger" and i apologise if i'm incorrect but that seems to be the perception, and i'm yeah this guy isn't going to push us onto the next level let's be sensible about this and take our time to identify someone who has the experience to push us onto the next level.

But of course it's all Academic anyway