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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    No, what is your argument? Come on, you know what your point of view is. I want to hear it concisely so that I can respond properly. And I do want to respond properly.
    It’s very simple, the teams below us never stood a chance of overtaking us for the Top 4 spot and we didn’t need a move to the Emirates to stay above them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    We have done well to stay top four when all is said and done, because football changed. We agreed what seemed sensible deals at the time, but which were soon dwarfed by the change in the way football is financed.
    IMO it could have been so much better if we'd a) not changed the style of play to this mini Barca style and b) planned better by having ready made replacements for the star players we sold off, sadly we sold them off and never seemed to have anyone in mind/place.

    At Highbury we were a competitive team who were capable of challenging/winning the major trophies, Wenger sacrificed this in favour of his preferred style of football, because of this we regressed and now are only really a team capable of challenging for 4th place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    I'm not so convinced, success is a bigger driver for sponsorship because companies want their names associated with successful brands that have big fan bases ideally.

    Had we stayed at Highbury and maintained our level of success there we'd have been able to get even bigger deals perhaps.
    Good point. If we're going to talk about teams below us spending more money than us, how was it possible when they don't have 60k+ stadium? Our tickets aren't cheap either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    It’s very simple, the teams below us never stood a chance of overtaking us for the Top 4 spot and we didn’t need a move to the Emirates to stay above them.
    No we didn't. And I haven't disputed that. On the outset, the stadium move was to compete with the best. We could have stayed top four based on the climate then. But as I keep saying, the playing field changed, and in hindsight, we have done well to stay top four, as opposed to competing with Utd, Barca, Real, which was the original plan. Throw in Oil money, massive debt servicing, and huge wage inflation because of that, and you can see how our structured finances came under pressure, as we were tied into deals. If you can't see that, then you're deluded.

    Can't you see, that once we were into the build, we were constrained financially?? Yes we still had money, but we couldn't go out and match the spending of the big boys first and foremost, and then as time wore on, it was clear that other clubs hovering below us, could actually (for a time) outspend us. That's why Liverpool bid 50m for Carrol. That's why Spurs under Redknapp were throwing the kitchen sink at ECL qualification.

    Luckily, we had a manager that could steer us above that. And as we have already stated, if he wasn't so stubborn, such a gambler, we could have done even more!

    If we were still at Highbury now, our revenue would be severely curtailed. We would be on a par with spending to a team like Everton. Same size stadium etc etc.

    I don't understand why it is so hard to credit Wenger with what has been a significant part of our history.

    As I keep saying. Why are Spurs and Liverpool trying to do the same, if it wasn't necessary. We have proved it was, so the whole Highbury thing is a moo cow point anyway.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    IMO it could have been so much better if we'd a) not changed the style of play to this mini Barca style and b) planned better by having ready made replacements for the star players we sold off, sadly we sold them off and never seemed to have anyone in mind/place.
    Yes, we're all saying that anyway. Almost everyone agrees that we have made the same mistakes over and over. Hence why Wenger should step aside as he's taken us as far as he can IMO. I don't think anyone is disputing that. So you don't need to bring it up.

    Highbury has nothing to do with that.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Yes, we're all saying that anyway. Almost everyone agrees that we have made the same mistakes over and over. Hence why Wenger should step aside as he's taken us as far as he can IMO. I don't think anyone is disputing that. So you don't need to bring it up.

    Highbury has nothing to do with that.
    I brought it up because you said we did well to stay top 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Good point. If we're going to talk about teams below us spending more money than us, how was it possible when they don't have 60k+ stadium? Our tickets aren't cheap either!
    Spurs are backed by a consortium of multi-millionnaires.

    Liverpool are debt serviced to the hilt like Utd.

    Chelsea have a Russian gangster.

    City have crooked oil rapers.

    Look what happened to Pompey....they still spent it, and nearly went bust.

    Debt debt debt debt debt.

    Fucksake. Do you not read the news??? that's why FFP was supposed to be imposed.

    We spend within our means. And I don't think anyone disagrees that that is the wrong policy.

    Whether we could have been a little less frugal is another debate. I think we all agree at certain points we could have pushed the boat out further.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    I brought it up because you said we did well to stay top 4.
    We did.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    And I'm out.

    Had enough of this shit.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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