Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[The Emirates Gallactico]

The news of new contracts being offered to Giroud & Arteta are exactly the reason why Wenger has to go. We have to have better than Giroud or Arteta to compete at top level, none of the other top teams in England or Europe would have either of these in their teams.

Keeping Arteta and Giroud in the squad are no brainers imo.

Arteta especially is very well respected by everyone at the club and is a great role model for the youngsters according to most of the reports I've read emanating from the club. When Sanchez first arrived in the country, it was Arteta who went out of his way to make sure he was settled in properly. Additionally, him and Per are the two mainly responsible for creating the new healthy atmosphere and culture among the squad. Things used to be bad several years ago when you had all the different cliques and dressing room cancers like Gallas, RVC, Adebayor, Bendtner etc etc ................ it should be a lot more noticeable now how well everyone gets on now.

Don't see why we couldn't do a Rosicky on him and use him for squad depth and experience. Honestly think it would be extremely shortsighted to get rid of him.

Now Flamini on the other hand can fuck off. Useless mercenary twat who's long past his best.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Arteta especially is very well respected by everyone at the club and is a great role model for the youngsters according to most of the reports I've read emanating from the club. When Sanchez first arrived in the country, it was Arteta who went out of his way to make sure he was settled in properly. Additionally, him and Per are the two mainly responsible for creating the new healthy atmosphere and culture among the squad. Things used to be bad several years ago when you had all the different cliques and dressing room cancers like Gallas, RVC, Adebayor, Bendtner etc etc ................ it should be a lot more noticeable now how well everyone gets on now.

And for as long as Arteta is at the club we will not be winning the league.

Cut the sentimental crap. It's got us nowhere over the years.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

And for as long as Arteta is at the club we will not be winning the league.
Cut the sentimental crap. It's got us nowhere over the years.

I'm not saying he should be first choice DM, clearly he isn't good enough, but we shouldn't be forcing him out of the club either as he brings a lot of positives off the pitch which would be missed. We can still craft a role for him here that isn't first choice DM.

It's ridiculous to think that we couldn't win the league or the CL with Arteta as a backup squad midfielder to a more powerful and mobile World class DM.

[Fist of Lehmann]

I'm not saying he should be first choice DM, clearly he isn't good enough, but we shouldn't be forcing him out of the club either as he brings a lot of positives off the pitch which would be missed. We can still craft a role for him here that isn't first choice DM.

It's ridiculous to think that we couldn't win the league or the CL with Arteta as a backup squad midfielder to a more powerful and mobile World class DM.

It's an interesting question, you say Arteta clearly isn't good enough for first choice, but then how good should a second choice be? Given our propensity for injuries a second stringer might have to play anywhere between ten and forty games a season.

Was it Mourinho who talked about having 2 world class players for every position? It makes a lot of sense.
Two players of similar quality provide each other with competition, allow you to rest, rotate and cover for injuries with no significant loss of quality.

Arteta's off the field qualities are laudable, his conduct exemplary, and his contribution should be without question. But on the pitch he is waning fast and his increasing injuries make him an unreliable backup. You have weigh up whether what he can bring to the team as a whole at 33 years of age is worth a squad place and a 60k+ salary.

Oh and I thought we could have done with throwing a Giroud on late into the NLD, injury substitutions notwithstanding.

[Niall_Quinn]

Arteta is still one of the best passers in Europe, season after season. But he's also played out of position, season after season. He's been a good servant, putting up with Wenger's weirdness all this time. Aging now, true enough, but a shame so many fans can't show a bit of grace when it comes to a player who has served the club well. It's not about sentimental bullshit. We hate cunts like Cole and RvC when they jump ship, but some also seem to hate the guys who stick around.

http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...e_errors#total

The stats show where Arteta's strengths lie (as good as Alonso any day) and where his weaknesses lie. Wenger has dumped him in a position that plays to all his weaknesses. Arteta's fault?

Per 90 metrics are interesting too:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...sive_errors#90

Last season - same story.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...sive_errors#90

The idea Arteta is "shit" is just a fantasy, nothing more.

[Fist of Lehmann]

The idea Arteta is "shit" is just a fantasy, nothing more.

Aye, but one that serves the narrative quite well.

The 4-1-4-1 isn't doing us any favours either because it places such a heavy burden on the 1.

[Globalgunner]

Arteta is shit at being a DM.
Does that sound better?
He was never a DM until Wenger decided to shoehorn him into the position because he didn't have the guts to tell him there was no place for him in the AM line up and he couldn't just dump him. Wenger does this because, he can and because he knows after all his cock ups. He still gets 4th.

This is not a plug for Flamini either, he has a bit more energy, but is just as shit at the DM role.

[saintnickle]

That more than makes up for the summer transfer window.WOW all we need to do now is tie sanogo down to a new improved 5 year deal and we are good to go.Giroud arteta and sanogo on new deals,think how much we will get when barca and real come sniffing.Just shows the SUPER SUPER ambition of the club!!

[Letters]

18 years as manager today

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Arteta is shit at being a DM.
Does that sound better?
He was never a DM until Wenger decided to shoehorn him into the position because he didn't have the guts to tell him there was no place for him in the AM line up and he couldn't just dump him. Wenger does this because, he can and because he knows after all his cock ups. He still gets 4th.

Excellent post.