I don't agree about the Vieira captain thing
Great physical presence and technical ability but definitely not a leader
The fact is the idea of leadership and character on the pitch is an outmoded idea
It's about tactical discipline, captains actually mean very little in this day and age
Our captain situation is as comical as our defending/tactics/transfer policy/injuries. You could give Wenger £200M, he still couldn't get it right. The next 3 years are going to be awful, and very repetitive.
Really - don't remember too many 8-2 drubbings by the Mancs or 5 & 6's against Liverpool & Chelsea when he was captain. The players followed his tenacity ( at times a little to much it could be said ) but we were a horrible team to play & wouldn't collapse as we have done in recent years.Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie
Vieira played in the 6-1 defeat to United at Old Trafford
And we were tough to beat because we had a large, physically imposing team with many players six foot plus. Nothing to do with Vieira's leadership.
This is the same Vieira whose leadership skills included getting himself sent off for losing his head at actual or perceived provocation
Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 05-11-2014 at 10:11 AM.
Is that a fact?!
How can leadership and character on the pitch ever be a bad thing?
It's not a bad thing it's just a myth that it makes any difference
Players are either good or they aren't, the managers tactics are either good or they aren't
In this day and age it doesn't really matter who your captain is if you have quality of players and tangible tactics
No, it isn't.
I've seen interviews with players who played under Adams who have said how his leadership geed them up for games.
The fact is this is happening far too regularly these days (and that really is a fact) and I don't believe the fact we've not had a proper captain for years is a co-incidence. It's nothing to do with whether our players are good enough, there are ways of reacting to setbacks and far too often we fold under pressure.
Leadership still plays an important part in the game, there's no doubt about that.....some players can't deal with adversity others respond....captains or leaders are those that organise, motivate and make player raise their games, either vocally or through their performances/actions.....it's a long time since we've had leaders and it shows.
The top clubs have those players who lead by example and try and make things happen even when the flow is going against them, we just shrivel and disappear.
Vieira was a great leader in that he would fight for every ball, try and make things happen even if we were behind, he didn't let his head drop and allow the opposition to have it all their own way.
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Tony Adams - exactly, you are hailing back to a time where leadership on the pitch made a difference
Do you know who the Captain was for Real Madrid who won the European cup? (Iker Casillas?)
When someone earns the amount Ramsey does, your not going to listen to another player telling you to stop bombing forward
That becomes the managers responsibility to implement a reasonable tactical plan
The manager is incapable of motivating and has always been found to be tactically naive, in the successful years he relied on players who motivated and knew how to handle adversity.
With no players like that now we can see the result.
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