Match Reaction vs Swansea

[Power n Glory]

My point is the transfers that were undertaken were done in a much more timely manner, I'm sure Wenger spoke with Sanchez and his agent in Brazil (I'm not for a second saying Sanchez was signed without Wengers permission) but I think Wenger was more instrumental in convincing Sanchez in coming to us, and Dick Law was more responsible for agreeing a fee with Barcelona and agreeing a wage with player and agent. Yes of course speculative on my part, but compare it to the farago with Real Madrid and Higuain the previous summer and something has changed.

How is the Sanchez signing any different to Ozil? Two world class attacking players we'd be crazy to turn down. Those aren't hard choices for Wenger. We've got two extremes when it comes to our transfer policy. The Sanchez and Ozil deals show great progress but on the other end of the spectrum we have rubbish like Kallstrom and our current CB situation. I don't know how much has really changed behind the scenes because we've always been quick to snap up players Wenger really wants and by the time it hits the press, it's a done deal. We've already tabled the bid and in the advance stages such as our most recent deals with Giroud, Pod, Gervinho or going as far back as Rosicky and Reyes.

[Niall_Quinn]

A man who wouldnt fly to games, a TV pundit and a person whos been bald since his 20s (who will international fans and players graviate to? Movie star Mourinho or the dour no-name guy?). Get real m8.

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Why are we not talking about how Chambers is looking like Jenkinson 2.0? Wenger needs to quit shopping in Chavland to be down with the Chavs and give serious defenders a go. Bellerins turn now surely.

If I had to guess I'd say we're not talking about Chambers as looking like Jenkinson 2.0 because he's nothing like him, in appearance or in the way he plays. One poor game doesn't mean we need to hit the transfer market. Jenks is doing okay too, holding down his place in the team above us in the league.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

How is the Sanchez signing any different to Ozil? Two world class attacking players we'd be crazy to turn down. Those aren't hard choices for Wenger. We've got two extremes when it comes to our transfer policy. The Sanchez and Ozil deals show great progress but on the other end of the spectrum we have rubbish like Kallstrom and our current CB situation. I don't know how much has really changed behind the scenes because we've always been quick to snap up players Wenger really wants and by the time it hits the press, it's a done deal. We've already tabled the bid and in the advance stages such as our most recent deals with Giroud, Pod, Gervinho or going as far back as Rosicky and Reyes.

Difference is Ozil was a panic buy to mollify the fans where as Sanchez was a signing in a position we needed

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying for a second that the board are buying players that Wenger doesn't want that's what Spurs do with their director of football. I'm saying maybe with these big signings (and possibly this includes Ozil) that the manager is stating what player he wants and the club agrees the price rather than the manager.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

If I had to guess I'd say we're not talking about Chambers as looking like Jenkinson 2.0 because he's nothing like him, in appearance or in the way he plays. One poor game doesn't mean we need to hit the transfer market. Jenks is doing okay too, holding down his place in the team above us in the league.

Precisely I think both Chambers and Jenkinson are good enough for Arsenal

I think if Chambers is played at centre back and we buy one more centre back we'd have a well balanced defence.

Well apart from Monreal, he is a poor left back let alone centre back

[Power n Glory]

Difference is Ozil was a panic buy to mollify the fans where as Sanchez was a signing in a position we needed

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying for a second that the board are buying players that Wenger doesn't want that's what Spurs do with their director of football. I'm saying maybe with these big signings (and possibly this includes Ozil) that the manager is stating what player he wants and the club agrees the price rather than the manager.

We needed Sanchez just as much as we needed Ozil. We already had players for those positions but we've made room for quality but that's besides the point. So you're suggesting Wenger has been taken out of the negotiation process or deciding factor on the price. It's possible but Ozil and Sanchez aren't the best of examples. You don't shop in Harrods to try and haggle on prices or go to a Ferrari lot to ask how much one of their cars cost. With certain World Class players, you just know you're going to have to spend £30m and above on the transfer plus over £110k in wages. Just the mention of those players names and you know they'll cost money because they're well known world class players. I doubt anyone could tell Wenger that such players would be expensive and he'd be surprised. He'd know the cost and I doubt he'd question it. You usually get what you pay for. They are Super super quality in Wenger terms.

Th problem comes with players he's not so certain about and players that aren't so well known. Or non attacking players that aren't valued as much in football. The not so 'super super quality' players. It doesn't seem as though Wenger values the art of defending and besides on the pitch you can see it in the transers. It's probably why he thinks he can convert someone like Monreal into a CB and why he won't pay serious money for CB's and DM's in general. This is where we get stuck and the value of the player isn't as obvious. I don't think much has changed in terms of signings or we'd have bought players for CB and DM. They are crucial areas that we always seem to dither on.

[selassie]

We needed Sanchez just as much as we needed Ozil. We already had players for those positions but we've made room for quality but that's besides the point. So you're suggesting Wenger has been taken out of the negotiation process or deciding factor on the price. It's possible but Ozil and Sanchez aren't the best of examples. You don't shop in Harrods to try and haggle on prices or go to a Ferrari lot to ask how much one of their cars cost. With certain World Class players, you just know you're going to have to spend £30m and above on the transfer plus over £110k in wages. Just the mention of those players names and you know they'll cost money because they're well known world class players. I doubt anyone could tell Wenger that such players would be expensive and he'd be surprised. He'd know the cost and I doubt he'd question it. You usually get what you pay for. They are Super super quality in Wenger terms.

Th problem comes with players he's not so certain about and players that aren't so well known. Or non attacking players that aren't valued as much in football. The not so 'super super quality' players. It doesn't seem as though Wenger values the art of defending and besides on the pitch you can see it in the transers. It's probably why he thinks he can convert someone like Monreal into a CB and why he won't pay serious money for CB's and DM's in general. This is where we get stuck and the value of the player isn't as obvious. I don't think much has changed in terms of signings or we'd have bought players for CB and DM. They are crucial areas that we always seem to dither on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We needed Sanchez just as much as we needed Ozil. We already had players for those positions but we've made room for quality but that's besides the point. So you're suggesting Wenger has been taken out of the negotiation process or deciding factor on the price. It's possible but Ozil and Sanchez aren't the best of examples. You don't shop in Harrods to try and haggle on prices or go to a Ferrari lot to ask how much one of their cars cost. With certain World Class players, you just know you're going to have to spend £30m and above on the transfer plus over £110k in wages. Just the mention of those players names and you know they'll cost money because they're well known world class players. I doubt anyone could tell Wenger that such players would be expensive and he'd be surprised. He'd know the cost and I doubt he'd question it. You usually get what you pay for. They are Super super quality in Wenger terms.

Th problem comes with players he's not so certain about and players that aren't so well known. Or non attacking players that aren't valued as much in football. The not so 'super super quality' players. It doesn't seem as though Wenger values the art of defending and besides on the pitch you can see it in the transers. It's probably why he thinks he can convert someone like Monreal into a CB and why he won't pay serious money for CB's and DM's in general. This is where we get stuck and the value of the player isn't as obvious. I don't think much has changed in terms of signings or we'd have bought players for CB and DM. They are crucial areas that we always seem to dither on.

I don't disagree in anyway, I am speculating but comparing Higuain and Ozil and Sanchez there does seem to be a difference between an ultimately fruitless saga and two quickly completed deals.

My speculation leads me to ask the question, if the Board have shown that they can intercede with Wenger than why aren't they doing it more often. If Wenger had a list of defenders he wanted, why didnt they just go out and get them....I'm convinced Wenger wouldn't resign if he didnt control every aspect of the transfer and if he did than frankly we are better off without him (win/win)

The fact is that the board is just as incompitent as the manager they unequivocally support, and this is shown that even in a business sense we are not as we might be; our match day revenue is high as our television revenues for stumbling into the champions league. But other than this our commercial revenues are no where near the level the top clubs in Europe are making and this is a result of a risk adverse model. The only way to be on the same level as Bayern Munich, Manchester United of this world is success on the pitch.
But instead they allow themselves to be duped by a man just looking to add further to his own financial portfolio.
Wenger is a problem, but he's not the only problem......

[Munchies]

The worrying thing is that he isn't even going after any players in positions that need covering. CDM has been a problem since Flamini left in 08, and he's finished as a player now.

Even signing someone like Diame from West Ham would've been an upgrade on what we currently have.

And we were heavily linked to that defender Roma bought, and why did they buy him? Because they offered £2m more

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Would Bergkamp really be expected to attend every single European match?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Does Wengers entire back room staff follow him all over the continent or are they in fact based at London Colney?.