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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    I'm not sure that's the case, Wenger came out after selling Vermaelen and was asked about replacing him and said that we needed to because it left the defence short.

    Kostas Manolas, Sokratis Papastatoupolos were two of the defenders on our radar and as another poster pointed out Manolas joined Roma because they were prepared to pay two million more. So yes if the board sit idly by and let Wenger sit on his hands, prevaricate other a couple of million here and there they are just as culpable as the manager.

    The buck stops at the top, they are his employers.....
    So the Board were able to 'convince' to spend £30m to £40m on Ozil and Sanchez but couldn't convince him to spend £10m on a defender? Do you know how crazy that sounds?

    Wenger may have said we needed defenders but he always makes such statements and does nothing. The money is there available and it's not te Board's job to force him to spend. Alarm bells should have been ringing when he was trying out Monreal as CB in preseason.

    Why would they back out of signing a defender in the summer but hand Wenger the funds for the winter window? Also, why did we loan out Jenkinson for the season when we are short on defenders? These are technical decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumble View Post
    if we signed Cesc we probably wouldn't have signed Welbeck and just pushed Sanchez up top with Cesc and Ozil in behind (when Ozil was fit)

    What I don't understand with Wenger was when he first came to Arsenal he knew the value of a strong back 4 as he had one already made plus signed guys like Lauren and Campbell. He also signed guys like Vieira/Petit big imposing Central midfielders. So why has he changed, football hasn't moved on that much that these guys wouldn't be quality players now.

    I am totally baffled as to why he doesn't do this anymore.
    Besides Campbell who was a well known and obvious choice, he's always sucked at signing CB's and has always done it on the cheap. It's never been his strong point and he probably thinks he can pull another 'Kolo Toure' with Monreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    So the Board were able to 'convince' to spend £30m to £40m on Ozil and Sanchez but couldn't convince him to spend £10m on a defender? Do you know how crazy that sounds?

    Wenger may have said we needed defenders but he always makes such statements and does nothing. The money is there available and it's not te Board's job to force him to spend. Alarm bells should have been ringing when he was trying out Monreal as CB in preseason.

    Why would they back out of signing a defender in the summer but hand Wenger the funds for the winter window? Also, why did we loan out Jenkinson for the season when we are short on defenders? These are technical decisions.
    Why is it crazy?

    Marquee signings like Ozil and Sanchez sell shirts and therefore they have a vested interest in seeing those deals go through.

    I'm not saying the board backed out of signing a defender I just think they allowed Wenger to prevaricate.

    They back the guy, so ultimately his inaction reflects on them as well as himself

    These people aren't unwilling victims of Wenger dogma, they are his chief enablers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Why is it crazy?

    Marquee signings like Ozil and Sanchez sell shirts and therefore they have a vested interest in seeing those deals go through.

    I'm not saying the board backed out of signing a defender I just think they allowed Wenger to prevaricate.

    They back the guy, so ultimately his inaction reflects on them as well as himself

    These people aren't unwilling victims of Wenger dogma, they are his chief enablers
    What about Debuchy and Chambers? They're not the sort of players that sell shirts but deals were done quickly.

    His in action only reflects on himself. It only damages his own reputation and nobody is running stories that the club is run badly. If he knew what he was doing he's never agreed to letting Verm or Jenkinson go and even failing that, he could at least play Chambers as CB and someone else at RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Why is it crazy?

    Marquee signings like Ozil and Sanchez sell shirts and therefore they have a vested interest in seeing those deals go through.

    I'm not saying the board backed out of signing a defender I just think they allowed Wenger to prevaricate.

    They back the guy, so ultimately his inaction reflects on them as well as himself

    These people aren't unwilling victims of Wenger dogma, they are his chief enablers
    If you believe there has been a slight shift in how we do transfers and the board has more control, it's worth asking yourself how we drop the ball on the CB position but we're able to wrap up the Ozil and Sanchez deal in a 'timely manner'. Same goes for Chambers and Debuchy.

    It's also worth considering Wenger's history with CB's. It's not great so are we even certain he had any firm targets in mind for the role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Does Wengers entire back room staff follow him all over the continent or are they in fact based at London Colney?.
    No but his assistant does you fucking pleb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    No but his assistant does you fucking pleb.
    Did your mother influence you to talk like that when she was being sodomised by paying punters as you watched from your cot as a nipper?

    Who said anything about Bergkamp being an assistant, I just said I'd like to see him as part of the coaching set up.

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    There's an old adage back home which says, "empty barrels make the most noise".

    H_C_Z does appear to give loads of credence to this adage, imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    If you believe there has been a slight shift in how we do transfers and the board has more control, it's worth asking yourself how we drop the ball on the CB position but we're able to wrap up the Ozil and Sanchez deal in a 'timely manner'. Same goes for Chambers and Debuchy.

    It's also worth considering Wenger's history with CB's. It's not great so are we even certain he had any firm targets in mind for the role.
    Again it's speculation on my part

    Also we are talking about Ivan Gazidis here, a man who touts for business with a Russian Telecom company without even doing the most basic of research, which had he done so he would have discovered Alisher Usmanov owned.
    Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 11-11-2014 at 02:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özil's Panoramic View View Post
    There's an old adage back home which says, "empty barrels make the most noise".

    H_C_Z does appear to give loads of credence to this adage, imho.
    Because I think it's naive to think that the people who pay Wenger and back him without question are not in any way responsible for the mistakes he makes?.

    I'd like to believe that Wenger is the only problem and that once he's gone we will be in paradise, but I'm an adult and disinclined to believe fairy stories.

    Plus it's a bit rich coming from someone who advocates the Chelsea approach to hiring and firing managers

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