Match Reaction vs Swansea

[Power n Glory]

Again it's speculation on my part

Also we are talking about Ivan Gazidis here, a man who touts for business with a Russian Telecom company without even doing the most basic of research, which had he done so he would have discovered Alisher Usmanov owned.

Yes, the same guy that snapped up Ozil, Sanchez, Welbeck, Chambers and Debuchy in a 'timely fashion'. You can't have it both ways.

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Because I think it's naive to think that the people who pay Wenger and back him without question are not in any way responsible for the mistakes he makes?.

I'd like to believe that Wenger is the only problem and that once he's gone we will be in paradise, but I'm an adult and disinclined to believe fairy stories.

Plus it's a bit rich coming from someone who advocates the Chelsea approach to hiring and firing managers

Being disingenuous as per usual, eh?

I used the chavs and a few other clubs as examples of clubs that had undergone manager changes without becoming "unstable". I'm sure you remember that word you used as you sought to spread fear by manufacturing a crisis.

Nowhere did I advocate that we should copy their model and embed it into our Club, as you are trying to make it sound here.

Do carry on though, pal. Make some more noise.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Yes, the same guy that snapped up Ozil, Sanchez, Welbeck, Chambers and Debuchy in a 'timely fashion'. You can't have it both ways.

Again I don't know that he did this, my theory is that comparatively these deals have been done quick and if he's capable of taking Wenger out of the loop on transfer value and price (which he would have delegated to Dick Law) than he is capable of being more assertive with Wenger on other things.

The other alternative explanation is that Wenger is as much involved in transfers as he's always been and the money is now avaliable to him not to need to haggle (like he did unsuccessfully with Mata, Baptista etc)

The blogger Le Grove made the point this morning, what would Wenger do if certain powers were taken from him? Wild he walk? (I somehow don't think he would) and if he did no big loss.

So regardless of whether Gazidis is interfering sporadically as I think he is, or whether Wenger is as much in charge as he always was. They are responsible for him

[Globalgunner]

You can spin it any way you want HCZ. The main problem at the club is Wenger and his spaced out visions of what football is and what its finances should be. He goes and we get our sanity back. We all know the management is culpable given Sir Chips risible statement at the last AGM. In as much as they allowed the man to run amok and buy into his lowered expectations based on Wengers own diminishing grip on the game. The solution is not to dismantle the entire hierarchy at Arsenal. It is to get rid of the underperforming manager and build again.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Being disingenuous as per usual, eh?

I used the chavs and a few other clubs as examples of clubs that had undergone manager changes without becoming "unstable". I'm sure you remember that word you used as you sought to spread fear by manufacturing a crisis.

Nowhere did I advocate that we should copy their model and embed it into our Club, as you are trying to make it sound here.

Do carry on though, pal. Make some more noise.

Chelsea's mid season managerial changes does cause instability even in 2012 on one hand they win the European cup and on the other hand they finish behind spurs and Newcastle in the league?

It's also done wonders for Spurs I don't think

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect me to give it any "credence" to borrow your parlance.

Power_and_Glory doesn't agree with anything I say but he's prepared to attack the argument rather than the person. But obviously as you think I'm too idiotic to debate, you can't really be surprised if I'm dismissive of you.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You can spin it any way you want HCZ. The main problem at the club is Wenger and his spaced out visions of what football is and what its finances should be. He goes and we get our sanity back. We all know the management is culpable given Sir Chips risible statement at the last AGM. In as much as they allowed the man to run amok and buy into his lowered expectations based on Wengers own diminishing grip on the game. The solution is not to dismantle the entire hierarchy at Arsenal. It is to get rid of the underperforming manager and build again.

Do you have faith that the club can create a structure and environment for someone more competent to function in?

I seriously don't.

I hope I'm wrong

[Özil's Panoramic View]

Chelsea's mid season managerial changes does cause instability even in 2012 on one hand they win the European cup and on the other hand they finish behind spurs and Newcastle in the league?

It's also done wonders for Spurs I don't think

You're entitled to your opinion, but don't expect me to give it any "credence" to borrow your parlance.

Power_and_Glory doesn't agree with anything I say but he's prepared to attack the argument rather than the person. But obviously as you think I'm too idiotic to debate, you can't really be surprised if I'm dismissive of you.

So now you've forgotten all your personal attacks against me. Firmly secured the victim hat on your head.

Like I said, carry on.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

So now you've forgotten all your personal attacks against me. Firmly secured the victim hat on your head.

Like I said, carry on.

I don't feel victimised, I love throwing personal abuse about as much as the next man

I'm just explaining why I have thrown personal abuse your way

[Power n Glory]

Do you have faith that the club can create a structure and environment for someone more competent to function in?

I seriously don't.

I hope I'm wrong

We're one of the best run clubs in the world. You talk as if we're some other North London club.

Top notch facilities, a great youth setup, enough resources to sign top players and a Board that won't dictate to the manager, buy players on his behalf or royally fuck things up like we've seen at Spurs, Newcastle and Chelsea.

Our biggest problem is Wenger. I can understand why the Board were happy with 4th whilst going through a transnisition from Highbury to the Emirates but the manager of all people should be pushing further than that and shouldn't be content with this barren spell because he's a sportsman. He should have more ambition. His hunger for success and trophies shouldn't be linked to finances, unlike the Board's. Our aim to stay in 4th was linked to the CL money and stability. Now if we want to grow our brand, we need titles. That's the only way more lucrative sponsorship deals will come in. That's all financial incentive. Ivan has already set out our ambition of being up there with Bayern and knows the best deals go to title winners. It's why clubs like Barca and Real sack managers quickly if they can't deliver titles. Their brand plummets without that bragging right.

But Wenger shouldn't need anymore incentive to see us push on. He should be doing everything possible for the win. Not sure if your an F1 fan but can you imagine if Lewis Hamilton and Rosberg decided to ease of the acceleration and not race as hard because Mercedes had already achieved their target in the Contructors Championsip? It would be totally backwards. It should be your first instinct to win. Or just imagine if Mercedes kept sending Lewis out with a dodgy uncompetitive car? Wouldn't he be banging on the door demanding better? If he had any ambition of being the world's best he would.

That's what I don't get about these excuses for Wenger. If the Board were screwing up on deals, he should be the first one to chew them out over such fuck ups and demand a change. I don't buy this 'enabler' argument. He's a sportmans for crying out load and shouldn't be comfortable with losing all the time. It's really time to stop the excuses. How can he go into the season so unequipped and feel so comfortable?

[fakeyank]

It has already been said. The stadium is made of state of the art fire retardant materials.

Trying to burn it down would be pointless,

As for real fan action - I think you mentioned Newcastle as an exemplar in the past. Tell us all just how effective that has been? And you personally could make a start by not walking around all the time looking like the Armoury is your exclusive tailor.

At Newcastle, at least the manager and board knows how much of a discontent there is. At least they are trying!! The Utd fans failed with their black scarves movement but they got noticed! I have a feeling that when there are mass demonstrations, Wenger will at least wake up OR walk! Chances are that he will just keep collecting the paycheck but at least the fans are trying. We wont know what we can do without even trying. Who knows... there might a person or two who has some shame in the upper echelons of the club.

As for looking like Armoury being my personal stylist... blame that on the women I dated or my friends. They know that the one gift idea they can always fall back on, is to buy me Arsenal stuff because I love Arsenal. I have told them multiple times how I dont want to give $$$'s to the club but they think I am just ranting as usual! I will however take some blame for the times when I am in London.. the tourist in me wakes up and starts buying merchandise. I have promised myself that I am not buying anymore for myself!